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Military shoots down another high-altitude object, over Lake Huron: officials

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Re: Military shoots down another high-altitude object, over Lake Huron: officials

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Do we know why they are shot down? How do we know there is no dangerous material in them (e.g. radioactive)?

It’s over some of the most remote land anywhere in the world, and it would be coming down somewhere anyway. Even if it was full of plutonium, there probably is no better place for it to come down.

> It’s over some of the most remote land anywhere in the world,

Lake Huron is neither particularly remote (from, say, civilization) nor is it land.

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Imagine if you launch a balloon for say $10k so that your adversary has to spend $400k on a missile plus $70k x number of planes x hours in flight. And now do it multiple times per week. Seems like a decent strategy.

Does that 70k per plane per hour actually cost an additional 70k? If it becomes frequent enough I imagine they could start shooting down balloons in lieu of their regular training missions. Same for the missiles.

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No, that’s called immature ideological purity. Like it or not, state secrets are a necessary function of any civilization.

If you don't tell people the truth about something like this, they will cheerfully make something up and accept it as truth. That's not a "necessary function of any civilization," that's dereliction of duty to the people who elected the leaders.

People do that when you do tell them the truth.

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Have aliens invaded and we just don’t know about it, the government holding them off lowkey? Edit: Now China’s shooting them down! https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnovak/2023/02/12/china-says...

Reagan said in his speach in front of the United Nations: "Our differences would vanish, if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAAHgAuti84

Also, in the Watchman comic the world is made believe in an alien invasion to bring world peace (the ending is different in the move).

So let's hope that if these are (real of fake) aliens, the result will be a more peaceful world.

Re: Military shoots down another high-altitude object, over Lake Huron: officials

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Surveillance satellites are very different to directly flying this equipment into US airspace, including the fact that this equipment could hold paylods other than ISR. Not to mention this comment implies China does not have equivalent spy satellites, which it does. Also the UN is an absolute joke. That article links has China and Russia complaining about the West being aggressors so honestly its kinda BS. Also forge…

>>Also the UN is an absolute joke UN is literally just a forum for countries to meet and discuss matters. Nothing more nothing less. I have no idea why people expect UN to take action, when UN is explicitly not an organisation for taking any actions.

The UN is certainly something more than that, and not literally just a forum.

They have an active duty peacekeeping force of approximately 81K people. While that's similar in size to the active duty forces from a nation like a Peru or Chile, the Blue Helmets have had a de facto quasi-blanket immunity when committing war crimes, and have some pretty horrifying history in places like Central Africa. For example:

"Consider a small sample of heinous cases: in April 2016 Foreign Policy reported that, in the Central African Republic, a French commander tied up four girls and forced them to have sex with a dog. Soldiers from France, Gabon, and Burundi sexually abused at least 108 women and children in a single province. In July 2015, The Washington Post reported that peacekeepers in Haiti engaged in ‘transactional sex’ with over 229 women and girls in exchange for food, medicine, or other necessities.

"Most recently, it was published in the The Washington Post in February 2016 that ‘four peacekeepers had allegedly paid girls as young as 13 as little as 50 cents in exchange for sex in a different camp for the internally displaced’ and ‘as many as 14 troops from France, Chad and Equatorial Guinea allegedly raped and sodomised six boys ages nine to 15’."

https://www.ibanet.org/article/CEBC5F69-A238-49BB-B85A-5E8D8...

I'm guessing if one lived in any of the areas mentioned above, the UN would feel about as much like an invading force as just about anything.

The UN as a peacekeeping force was a great concept, but it's had a very mixed history when put into practice.

But it exists, so many people expect it to be a solution to their problems.

Re: Military shoots down another high-altitude object, over Lake Huron: officials

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Do we know why they are shot down? How do we know there is no dangerous material in them (e.g. radioactive)?

It’s over some of the most remote land anywhere in the world, and it would be coming down somewhere anyway. Even if it was full of plutonium, there probably is no better place for it to come down.

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Re: Military shoots down another high-altitude object, over Lake Huron: officials

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I sure hope this isn’t a distraction to get us to look up while something goes down under the sea.

> I sure hope this isn’t a distraction to get us to look up while something goes down under the sea.

The resources (including “human resources”) we use to check the sky are not the same resources used to track undersea threats. If anything, an elevated general state of alert from probing in the one domain makes it more, not less, likely than any intrusion in the other would be detected.

Re: Military shoots down another high-altitude object, over Lake Huron: officials

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surveillance satellites are very different to directly flying this equipment into US airspace, including the fact that this equipment could hold paylods other than ISR. Not to mention this comment implies China does not have equivalent spy satellites, which it does. Also the UN is an absolute joke. That article links has China and Russia complaining about the West being aggressors so honestly its kinda BS. Also forge…

>>Also the UN is an absolute joke UN is literally just a forum for countries to meet and discuss matters. Nothing more nothing less. I have no idea why people expect UN to take action, when UN is explicitly not an organisation for taking any actions.

It can provide legal cover for invading countries… Bosnia, Iraq etc.

The UN courts can issue judgements…

Human Rights Courts: e.g. Slobodan Milosovic, Radavan Kardzich etc

A lot of the global treaties are kicked around there

They also enforce peace zones (poorly) like Lebanon, Israel demilitarised zone.

They coordinate aid programs UNRWA etc

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