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Military shoots down another high-altitude object, over Lake Huron: officials

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Have aliens invaded and we just don’t know about it, the government holding them off lowkey? Edit: Now China’s shooting them down! https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnovak/2023/02/12/china-says...

Maybe some von Neumann probes have wandered into our solar system.

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#162

Do we know why they are shot down? How do we know there is no dangerous material in them (e.g. radioactive)?

They're following the balloons with U-2 (among other things, I assume) for some time before shooting down.

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No, that’s called immature ideological purity. Like it or not, state secrets are a necessary function of any civilization.

If you don't tell people the truth about something like this, they will cheerfully make something up and accept it as truth. That's not a "necessary function of any civilization," that's dereliction of duty to the people who elected the leaders.

And if you do tell the truth your enemy has a nice cheap information gathering network at their disposal. Hell, they'll likely just make up their own bullshit and post it online anyway and say our government is lying.

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#165

Imagine if you launch a balloon for say $10k so that your adversary has to spend $400k on a missile plus $70k x number of planes x hours in flight. And now do it multiple times per week. Seems like a decent strategy.

It's a decent strategy until you realize you're just providing target practice on sorties the enemy would fly anyway. Shooting one missile a day is not affecting that budget. And pilots need constant training.

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The US Senator for Michigan reports that the object was “octagonal” and flying at 20,000ft: https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1624888630912188419?s=46&...

I've stopped trusting when politician tweets describe the objects. They are getting the details second-hand if not more and seem to be relaying it immediately. Press conferences at least have some time to collect accounts and organize them. We also don't know who is providing the details; I would trust the F-22 pilot.

Like this could mean that there was only octagonal object, the balloon was octagonal, or the payload was octagonal. The latter seems the most plausible. It is hard to tell if this is more balloons or something really weird.

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You overcome vast interstellar distances with a balloon and then sit there while primitive missiles blow you up?

As we've seen with our space probes, its difficult enough to land something on another planet and have it survive, nevermind equipping it with any offensive or defensive capabilities. Maybe these aliens are in the same place. They can get the balloon here, but just barely, and they're watching in dismay as their work get dismantled.

Utter nonsense. This would be a FTL alien civ. A civilization with many orders of magnitude more energy available. And manufacturing capabilities. And AI. And many other things. They’re not gonna send a stupid balloon. They’re not going to care about a balloon. It’s inconceivable that a civ could get here and not also have the ability to manufacture such basic technology on an enormous scale very easily.

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Balloons could be a clever counter to what the US is doing with Low Earth Orbit satellites recently. SpaceX is launching tons of spy/missile defense satellites over China as part of the Space Development Agency: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Development_Agency China has been complaining to the United Nations about it. https://press.un.org/en/2022/gadis3698.doc.htm More details: https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Star…

Alternatively (if they need a counter) they could launch LEO satellites themselves?

Side note, the Chinese satellite (according to news) that did laser testing over Hawaii was visually pretty neat

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#169

I sure hope this isn’t a distraction to get us to look up while something goes down under the sea.

Not to be conspiratorial, but if it is an intentional distraction, the balance of probabilities favors the misdirection coming from the US (whether media, politicians, etc). This still feels like a case of seeing more because we've been told to pay attention to it, vs a new phenomenon. Let's see

Re: Military shoots down another high-altitude object, over Lake Huron: officials

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Balloons could be a clever counter to what the US is doing with Low Earth Orbit satellites recently. SpaceX is launching tons of spy/missile defense satellites over China as part of the Space Development Agency: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Development_Agency China has been complaining to the United Nations about it. https://press.un.org/en/2022/gadis3698.doc.htm More details: https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Star…

Surveillance satellites are very different to directly flying this equipment into US airspace, including the fact that this equipment could hold paylods other than ISR. Not to mention this comment implies China does not have equivalent spy satellites, which it does. Also the UN is an absolute joke. That article links has China and Russia complaining about the West being aggressors so honestly its kinda BS. Also forge…

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