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Military shoots down another high-altitude object, over Lake Huron: officials

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Couple of interesting twitter threads on this from Tyler (The Drive). He suggests this has been coming/happening for some time. https://twitter.com/aviation_intel/status/162414986417840128... Also that we are seeing a lot more now because we have turned down/off the filters on the radars. Which means also we can expect a lot more false positives. https://twitter.com/aviation_intel/status/162461466198661120...

> Which means also we can expect a lot more false positives. Perhaps we can, but clearly we can expect to find actual UAVs corresponding to these radar signals. If these UAVs that have been shot down were domestic research balloons or some other aircraft exempt from FAA regulation, then we can expect a party to come forward and publicly acknowledge ownership/control of the UAV. However, based on the descriptions of t…

>and not domestic weather/research balloons ...

Keep in mind that not only US or Canada launches weather balloons. These things are well capable of flying huge distances, including across the oceans. There has been one launched by amateur radio operators a few years ago that has circumnavigated the globe - and that's not at all a rare feat.

See e.g.:

https://qrp-labs.com/circumnavigators.html

So no need to go all conspirationalist about "unmanned drones operated by foreign governments" just yet. Especially given the distances and altitudes these things were found flying at - a heavier than air device would need a ton of fuel and energy to fly that high and that far, so a "drone" that at the same time doesn't look like an aircraft is rather unlikely.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The AIM-9X is infrared imaging based rather than heat signature based. The pilot resolves that contrast between the object and sky before firing the missile and missile targets the object based on the image.

> The AIM-9X is infrared imaging based rather than heat signature based. Isn't heat detected by infrared? What's the difference?

Yes warm bodies put off infrared, but so does the sun, and the suns IR rays are reflected by objects just as they are in the visible range. These reflections used for imaging

Re: Military shoots down another high-altitude object, over Lake Huron: officials

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An unnamed congressional aide claims the object was shaped 'like an octagon.' Sounds like BS, but you'd like to think the Wall Street Journal has some capacity to to identify and filter quality sources.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/latest-flying-objects-shot-down...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots and lots of satellites that keep passing overhead and you compose the images to abstract away the fact they came from multiple physical satellites. Idk how many companies/govs have this capability but: https://www.palantir.com/offerings/metaconstellation/

There's only one company with that capability and that's the only organization in the world ever to achieve first stage (and soon all stage) reusability for LEO launches. Because to achieve that you need to put a lot of stuff in orbit and the only way to affordably do that is cheap (reusable) launches.

The technical change is that you can build very useful, very small sats, which are cheap. Current SpaceX launch costs are lower, but like 1/2 price and 2x is not a big premium for a national security need.

Re: Military shoots down another high-altitude object, over Lake Huron: officials

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Couple of interesting twitter threads on this from Tyler (The Drive). He suggests this has been coming/happening for some time. https://twitter.com/aviation_intel/status/162414986417840128... Also that we are seeing a lot more now because we have turned down/off the filters on the radars. Which means also we can expect a lot more false positives. https://twitter.com/aviation_intel/status/162461466198661120...

I'd be very surprised if this is new.

The only new aspect is that you are being told about it. Which is unfortunately probably not a good sign. At best it will be only used to justify the purchase of some expensive "hi tech" boondoggle to counter these... balloons.

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The PRC reminds me of a lot of youtube videos I have seen: There's one or more young men who are enjoying the fuck around portion of the evening who then discover how fast it can turn into the find out portion of the evening.

I was going to say something about this being a ridiculous reason for conflict, but then again the US does have a history of starting wars over fantasies and fabrications. So consider curbing your moronic jingoistic attitude.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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This time, an F-16 sufficed.

Shame they can’t just gun them down with a tucano. This all seems like a large waste of money.

I don’t understand these “missiles cost too much” budget arguments. Defense costs hundreds of billions annually. The cost of the people who orchestrate the firing of that munition vastly outweighs the cost of the munition.

Re: Military shoots down another high-altitude object, over Lake Huron: officials

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This balloons war is getting real funny from half away around the globe.

I think that the US Air Force had been feeling a little left aside when it comes to the whole war thing, what with all the discussion about tanks and artillery and related stuff, this is the perfect opportunity for them to show that they're worth all the money the US taxpayer is throwing at them.

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