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Re: The FBI’s most controversial surveillance tool is under threat

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I don’t know what the context of this is (or its legitimacy), but what you’re implying is extremely offensive… especially to the Jewish members of my family who did fight in WWII under extremely anti-semitic leadership who would send them on missions first (not last!) that they thought were the most dangerous.

In what reasonable way is what you wrote an argument? Don’t be offended, be refuting.

Re: The FBI’s most controversial surveillance tool is under threat

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post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know what the context of this is (or its legitimacy), but what you’re implying is extremely offensive… especially to the Jewish members of my family who did fight in WWII under extremely anti-semitic leadership who would send them on missions first (not last!) that they thought were the most dangerous.

In what reasonable way is what you wrote an argument? Don’t be offended, be refuting .

They refuted it with anecdotes of their family members serving. If you want more, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Jewish_Ame...

Re: The FBI’s most controversial surveillance tool is under threat

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I don’t know what the context of this is (or its legitimacy), but what you’re implying is extremely offensive… especially to the Jewish members of my family who did fight in WWII under extremely anti-semitic leadership who would send them on missions first (not last!) that they thought were the most dangerous.

That... is not anyhow related to the discussion, nor an argument for/against anything on this page. And thank you for your ancestors bravery.

Re: The FBI’s most controversial surveillance tool is under threat

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How is the leadership of this other organization selected? It sounds like a government agency by another name.

There are a number of ways to approach it. But even if it's just a different set of elected officials, you'd get inter-agency competition.

The Progressives thought they would eliminate government corruption by making everything, including the proverbial dog catcher, an elected position.

It has not gone well. It turns out the voters can’t be bothered to learn about more than a few top line races. Anything under that is either straight party line or random.

Re: The FBI’s most controversial surveillance tool is under threat

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This sounds fake

It’s not though, the CIA was ordered to release the MKULTRA records but _accidentally_ burned most of them instead.

I know about MKULTRA. I meant the Jew thing

Re: The FBI’s most controversial surveillance tool is under threat

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Why do we have to rely on Republicans to curtail the FBI's civil liberties violations? That's scary AF.

We don’t, Ron Wyden (mentioned in the OP) is a prominent Dem who has also been campaigning hard on this issue. IIRC he had committee access and said things like “there is unconstitutional stuff going on that folks will be outraged about” prior to the Snowden leaks. He was very critical of the Patriot Act.

Re: The FBI’s most controversial surveillance tool is under threat

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know what the context of this is (or its legitimacy), but what you’re implying is extremely offensive… especially to the Jewish members of my family who did fight in WWII under extremely anti-semitic leadership who would send them on missions first (not last!) that they thought were the most dangerous.

That... is not anyhow related to the discussion, nor an argument for/against anything on this page. And thank you for your ancestors bravery.

Did you read the page that the GP specifically called out? And yes, none of it is related to MKUltra or the linked topic… which makes it all the more infuriating that this comment is still up and not flagged for removal.

Re: The FBI’s most controversial surveillance tool is under threat

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post #42

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That is not a good take. There are many moral and political concerns with five eyes, but casting all international cooperation as “treason” discredits your position.

Casting spying as the only means of international cooperation is disingenuous.

Huh? The post I replied to said that agencies working with international counterparts is necessarily treason.

Where in the world did you get that strange claim about what I said?

Re: The FBI’s most controversial surveillance tool is under threat

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post #42

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5 eyes as a concept is essentially institutionalized treason. There’s no such thing as a friendly foreign intelligence service, their goals are directly against the interest of the American public/civilian world (which in theory our intelligence services work for) A CIA officer conspiring with GCHQ to defraud the United States should result in lifetime imprisonment.

That is not a good take. There are many moral and political concerns with five eyes, but casting all international cooperation as “treason” discredits your position.

Spying cases that come to light despite 3-letter agencies fighting it tooth and nail unfortunately mostly end up in this category when judged from common folks and moral perspective.

Most US folks here on HN have some moral qualms with that, now imagine how rest of the world sees this, and how it makes us feel (our lives and rights are inferior to US citizens, a great way to build long term relationship as an example)

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