even if this gets fixed they can still use 5 eyes to get around it, US and friends use loopholes to have each other spy on their citizens to get around their own laws protecting citizens. It adds an extra step but they still get the info they want
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#32Of course here come the articles undermining the intelligence community, right in the wake of the Chinese balloon incursions and continued Chinese/Russian foreign intelligence efforts, and at its core are republicans. As usual these articles pertaining to the IC massively misunderstand, misrepresent, and downright act against the interests of the United States by so feverently spurring on the de-fanging of intelligen…
I don’t believe my tax dollars should fund the CIA, NSA, DHS, etc.
DIA seems reasonable.
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#33even if this gets fixed they can still use 5 eyes to get around it, US and friends use loopholes to have each other spy on their citizens to get around their own laws protecting citizens. It adds an extra step but they still get the info they want
5 eyes as a concept is essentially institutionalized treason.
There’s no such thing as a friendly foreign intelligence service, their goals are directly against the interest of the American public/civilian world (which in theory our intelligence services work for)
A CIA officer conspiring with GCHQ to defraud the United States should result in lifetime imprisonment.
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#34That's why you cannot ask any government to protect its citizen digital systems, because there are too much interested in to get security holes for their own benefit... Yep, we are alone in this, and with all those horrible standards/software(open source or not)/hardware, don't bother that much, it is unreasonable anyway.
I think the issue is more like, the agency that is specialized in security is also responsible for digital surveillance with practically zero oversight.
I would be totally onboard with an NSA that acted purely in a defensive manner.
Imagine getting a notice from the NSA that your Wordpress was vulnerable and exposed customer data because your server devs suck.
Imagine an NSA that actually sent zero days to Apple instead of exploiting them.
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#35>While the analyst attempted to remove the US information, in some cases, it said, they “inadvertently failed” to do so. A reminder that every abuse we hear of is one they failed at covering up. The most famous example of this is MKUltra, where everything we know about the program is from one document cache that survived the incinerator by being mislabeled.
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#36What is distressing is that the pattern of misuse seems to mirror other misuses of police arresting authority at the local and state levels. Would this imply training levels not being what they should be in areas of complying with laws by law enforcement including the FBI, ATF, DOJ, CIA, NSA, etc?
I’m not certain whether it’s an issue of training or an issue of lack of accountability. It certainly seems like a time of reckoning must come for all levels of law enforcement, where we get back to upholding the law rather than being above it. By now, almost everybody in the country seems to take issue with one or more areas of law enforcement and/or judiciary. Belief in justice seems to be at a very low point.
I think there’s a general lack of confidence in the integrity of elections, especially given what’s been revealed in the Twitter files and that “mules” documentary. I don’t see how anything can change without election integrity and ensuring the standing government cannot interfere in elections.
That’s the only way any of the government overreach can be curtailed. Bureaucrats aren’t going to oversee themselves. They will always fight for larger budgets and more power.
The deeper root level problem is how elections are financed. The politicians themselves are little more than actors at this point. No one is going to win a national level election without the support of the largest lobbying groups.
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#37Of course here come the articles undermining the intelligence community, right in the wake of the Chinese balloon incursions and continued Chinese/Russian foreign intelligence efforts, and at its core are republicans. As usual these articles pertaining to the IC massively misunderstand, misrepresent, and downright act against the interests of the United States by so feverently spurring on the de-fanging of intelligen…
The FBI is already profoundly ineffective. I'd be good with empowering it further it as long as there is bipartisan congressional oversight, same with our police in general.
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#38Of course here come the articles undermining the intelligence community, right in the wake of the Chinese balloon incursions and continued Chinese/Russian foreign intelligence efforts, and at its core are republicans. As usual these articles pertaining to the IC massively misunderstand, misrepresent, and downright act against the interests of the United States by so feverently spurring on the de-fanging of intelligen…
Oh please, here come the green text usernames coming in to defend the greatest threat to civil liberties the world has ever known. The "interests of the Untied States" is not the same is the interests of its people or the people of earth. It really just the interests of the military, industrial, academic complex that is raping and killing the planet.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Blue-collar actions are found to be criminal. White-collar actions are found to be unlawful and stopped. Government or politician actions are found to be unlawful and continue.
It's so weird to me that everyone assumes the NSA simply stopped recording all American phone calls because they were caught doing it and it was actually illegal.
Who assumes that? I don’t. Sounds like you don’t. Is it really everyone except the two of us? I doubt that.
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#40It's good to see here that one part of the government is calling another part to account. But I have to think that's unusual, and I'd love to see a better balance of responsibilities here. In Greg Bear's novel "Queen of Angels", set in 2047, their solution to the conflicting needs of privacy and crime prevention was a separate organization called "Citizen Oversight". All the digital-trail data (cameras, financial rec…
How is the leadership of this other organization selected? It sounds like a government agency by another name.