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StarFighter 16 inch: 4K Coreboot/Ryzen Linux laptop

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Re: StarFighter 16 inch: 4K Coreboot/Ryzen Linux laptop

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Post by okasaki »

LtdJorge wrote: post #225
okasaki wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- A 16" laptop with no dedicated graphics card. - Matte only option is a weird default over a glossy screen with an optional matte screen protector - Corporate pricing (+324 gbp to go from 32gb to 64gb ram) - Keyboard looks like crap - Only 1 year warranty - Like you said, 4-5 month lead time - Plastic? Basically, you can get better for less, with next day delivery

A 16" laptop with no dedicated graphics card is exactly what I would prefer. I would also prefer glossy, tho. But yeah, I don't get why there are no laptops with high power CPUs that don't include a dGPU, for compiling and many other CPU heavy tasks, there's absolutely no need to go over an iGPU, with a Radeon 680m being almost level with an RX 6400.

> A 16" laptop with no dedicated graphics card is exactly what I would prefer.

OK, so you are not interested in games, machine learning, 8k60, or any other thing that depends on a dedicated GPU.

But you are willing to blow $2000 on a laptop. That's a very niche situation.

Re: StarFighter 16 inch: 4K Coreboot/Ryzen Linux laptop

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Post by sirsinsalot »

cpfohl wrote: post #209
Brian_K_White wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do we really still think Apple products are the gold standard in hardware?

OS agnostic here (I’ve worked professionally in all three major OSes and on both Apple and a variety of Windows machines, currently enjoying WSL2 on my Dell XPS 9700). Apple’s laptop hardware still seems to be the gold standard to me. I have 10 year old laptops that still work great. My 2.5 year old Dell is currently with Dell for out of warranty repairs. I have no other windows machines left. All of them had an 4ish…

Another sample, my MBP set itself on fire in the boot of my car (examination revealed, the thunderbolt or whatever chip ignited).

My XPS13 is going strong after years of abuse and being lugged around the world in hand luggage.

My old powerbook and ibook (remember those?!) Both had live current running through the case screws which caused a stingy shock on bare legs.

I've never seen an Apple laptop that didn't look nice but ultimately have weird issues

Re: StarFighter 16 inch: 4K Coreboot/Ryzen Linux laptop

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Post by sounds »

darrenf wrote: post #210
pmontra wrote: post #167

There are many great features in this laptop, mainly no numberpad and 16:10 screen. I didn't check weight and user serviceability. They don't have the keyboard layout for my county (Italy) but I can live with that because my fingers know where keys are and I work with the USA layout most of the time. The only showstopper is the touchpad without physical buttons. I copy and paste text the X11 way by selecting and clic…

Regarding user serviceability, for the Starbook (which I own) they have a complete pictorial disassembly guide: https://support.starlabs.systems/kb/guides/starbook-mk-v-com... I’d expect the same tbh.

This new laptop has soldered-down RAM. It's due to the LPDDR5 which is only electrically able to reach 6400MT/s if the memory socket is skipped, so no blame for it. Just be aware.

Re: StarFighter 16 inch: 4K Coreboot/Ryzen Linux laptop

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Post by joombaga »

nicoburns wrote: post #276
smoldesu wrote: post #266

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Personally, I tend to err on the side of hardware that can take a fall from waist-height and not set me back $600. To each their own though, I guess.

What kind of computer hardware meets that criteria? Toughbooks?

So far my Framework has met that criteria. It's taken a few tumbles.

Re: StarFighter 16 inch: 4K Coreboot/Ryzen Linux laptop

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Post by api »

chx wrote: post #54
hedora wrote: post #2

This Linux laptop looks too good to be true. It's available with an AMD or Intel processor, there aren't any strange ergonomic decisions (other than the stow-able web-cam). In particular, they centered they trackpad + keyboard, and it looks like it has decent thermals. The battery is rated for 18 hours. You can choose between a medium resolution, high frame rate display (UHD @ 165Hz) or a 4K 60Hz display. The screen…

> Am I missing something? Yeah. The company is three people with practically no money at hand. I can't imagine this being real. Check "full accounts made up to 28 February 2022" https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/c... with cash at hand being just 13,887 pounds. How on earth are you making a laptop from that? Framework started with a nine million seed round and had the former head of hardware a…

If that's the case then it must be something rebadged. What is it?

Re: StarFighter 16 inch: 4K Coreboot/Ryzen Linux laptop

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Post by ldelossa »

I really want to like this laptop but...

If you go to their twitter, its a constant barrage of angry customers who havent received their orders in over a year.

I dont think im okay with shelling out $3000, waiting possibly over a year, and being told "we are working on it" the entire time.

I personally just went with Tuxedo for a linux first laptop.

Re: StarFighter 16 inch: 4K Coreboot/Ryzen Linux laptop

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Post by prmoustache »

cpfohl wrote: post #209
Brian_K_White wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do we really still think Apple products are the gold standard in hardware?

OS agnostic here (I’ve worked professionally in all three major OSes and on both Apple and a variety of Windows machines, currently enjoying WSL2 on my Dell XPS 9700). Apple’s laptop hardware still seems to be the gold standard to me. I have 10 year old laptops that still work great. My 2.5 year old Dell is currently with Dell for out of warranty repairs. I have no other windows machines left. All of them had an 4ish…

> Apple’s laptop hardware still seems to be the gold standard to me. I have 10 year old laptops that still work great.

Last time I looked at second hand laptops. Most of those the +5y old macbooks in the market had huge issues / defects (and also looked like shit) while you could find a lot of decent refurbished thinkpads and HP elitebook from the same era with no advertized defects (and those I bought didn't have any). I am excluding battery life as regarldess of the brand all needed a brand new one.

So they seem to be the gold standard when new. But they certainly don't age so well.

Re: StarFighter 16 inch: 4K Coreboot/Ryzen Linux laptop

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Post by scns »

lhl wrote: post #264
lucb1e wrote: post #148

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It's not the screen that I was afraid of so much as the processing power. From my understanding, the main power draw of a screen comes from its light output and area size (they advertise with about double or triple the nits mine has) rather than from how many pixels it has. Regardless, it's a good point that I should not ignore the screen while considering the processing power needed to drive said screen!

Well, there is the backlight, but also the power usage of the TCON (timing controller board) for each display that will vary greatly. Usually the 4K ones end up being less efficient. If you get the 4K display, you can of course set the output to 1080p which would solve the "processing power" end. I think the difference between 1080p and 1440p (or their 16:10 equivalents) at 60Hz would be negligible from a GPU perspec…

> I think the difference between 1080p and 1440p (or their 16:10 equivalents) at 60Hz would be negligible from a GPU perspective

It is close to twice the number of pixels.

1080p = 2.073.600

1440p = 3.686.400

2160p = 8.294.400

Re: StarFighter 16 inch: 4K Coreboot/Ryzen Linux laptop

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Post by hajile »

lhl wrote: post #275
localplume wrote: post #163

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Yeah I was looking at those specs, and these seems very overpriced no? If you spec a Tuxedo Aura 15 Gen2 ( https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/Linux-Hardware/Notebooks/... ) to the same level (not sure what the equivalent to the CPU is for Ryzen though), and although the display isn't 4K its still much less (just over 700, so around half the price...). There are nice features that the StarFighter has than the Aura 15…

While the StarFighter is a much more expensive product, I think the argument would be that it's fairly unique, arguably the highest end Ryzen 6000 developer laptop that an end-user can order globally (but not get delivered, sadly) atm. Comparing the Aura 15 Gen 2: * One of the biggest spec differences is that the Aura uses a Zen2 based 5700U (Lucienne) vs the StarFighter's Zen3+ based 6800H (Rembrandt) so expect a +5…

Do you know where there's any hard data on the actual speed of AMD's USB4 implementation in the 6xxx series? Everywhere I've looked, I get "USB4" then a blurb that USB4 can be "up to 40Gb/s" with the more honest stating that only 20Gb/s is actually required to meet the spec requirements.

What does AMD actually implement?

While we're on the topic, why is there basically no public information about Socket FP7 or it's chipset? Nothing on FP7r2 or FP8 either (by the way, upcoming 7xxx mobile chips support all three of these with likely different levels of motherboard capabilities). Why is there not much public for mobile AMD chipsets newer than a decade ago?

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