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For anyone who wants a bit of entirely factual context COMPLETELY absent from mainstream reporting. US Military to Use High-Altitude Balloons Against China, Russia: Report https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/07/06/us-military-balloo...

Yeah but we're team America world police so we can do what we want /s

No need for /s.

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Not very fun fact: Japan tried to use the jet stream to bomb America via incendiary balloon. It was largely unsuccessful of course, but still a creative way of bridging the Pacific: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fu-Go_balloon_bomb?wprov=sfla1

Sadly only success was killing a church group out on a Sunday school picnic.

I went down a shallow rabbit hole about this event. The man who survived the Fu-Go Balloon Bomb event in Oregon, Reverend Artchie Mitchell, went on to be captured, as a Christian missionary, by the Viet Cong in 1962 and he was never seen again. Given enough time lightning strikes the same spot more than once, I guess.

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For all its flaws, I'd take a democracy over the Soviets in the 80s, or CCP/North Korea today. I can't imagine what the world would have looked like if the Soviets had won the cold war, or if the CCP wins the next.

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. -John Kenneth Galbraith

That's funny but under one of these systems the people have a hope of fixing the ineptitude and corruption. Under the other, ehhh...

Re: US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not very fun fact: Japan tried to use the jet stream to bomb America via incendiary balloon. It was largely unsuccessful of course, but still a creative way of bridging the Pacific: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fu-Go_balloon_bomb?wprov=sfla1

Sadly only success was killing a church group out on a Sunday school picnic.

Which was censored until after war because the idea that CONUS is vunerable to JP attacks is itself significant. Media spasms around PRC balloons reflect that. Except with current capabilities, it won't be 9000 primitive balloons with single digit % arrival rates and ineffective incendiary payloads but 100,000s of modern balloons with high chance of arrival and potential to deliver guided bombs. Possibly sufficient to satuate CONUS defenses and loiter around to hit strategic targets of opportunity. The unspoken narrative behind PRC sending cheap balloons over CONUS is PRC sending thousands of cheap bombs over CONUS. The conniption over PRC hypersonics was also over US homeland vunerability, but the balloons IMO represent a new type of vunerability both in scale and economics of defense.

Re: US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada

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For anyone who wants a bit of entirely factual context COMPLETELY absent from mainstream reporting. US Military to Use High-Altitude Balloons Against China, Russia: Report https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/07/06/us-military-balloo...

The context is that US is developing high altitude balloons for detecting hyper-sonic weapons. Developing a technology and actively using in another country's airspace are quite different things, so it's not really that surprising that articles don't find it important to include.

Re: US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada

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For anyone who wants a bit of entirely factual context COMPLETELY absent from mainstream reporting. US Military to Use High-Altitude Balloons Against China, Russia: Report https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/07/06/us-military-balloo...

I present to you Tu-128, the USSR's dedicated NATO balloon buster [0]. US found it quite funny to send in hundreds of balloons to reconnoitre and send a message[1][2].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-28#Operational_hist...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Genetrix

[2] https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/the-soviets-built-besp...

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I feel like I'm thrown back to the 80s, all this military and fear mongering and propaganda and war.

For all its flaws, I'd take a democracy over the Soviets in the 80s, or CCP/North Korea today. I can't imagine what the world would have looked like if the Soviets had won the cold war, or if the CCP wins the next.

I'm Russian and I am of the same opinion.

Re: US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada

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For anyone who wants a bit of entirely factual context COMPLETELY absent from mainstream reporting. US Military to Use High-Altitude Balloons Against China, Russia: Report https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/07/06/us-military-balloo...

The source article says they would be used to detect Chinese and Russian missiles. But that doesn’t mean the US had any plans to just float them over China or Russia.

It’s a stretch to present these as equivalent.

Re: US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada

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China seems to be testing the US air defense system, is this a sign that China is getting serious over Taiwan?

Taiwan has enough missiles to sink and shoot down a significant portion of China's navy and air-force. This would then open them up to attacks from India or Vietnam to claim territory currently under dispute, and create openings for China's rivals to destabilize their government by agitating existing aggrieved political minorities towards action.

China getting serious over Taiwan would be them creating deeper ties with Taiwan's economy and ruling body, and just waiting a few decades.

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