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I feel like I'm thrown back to the 80s, all this military and fear mongering and propaganda and war.

For all its flaws, I'd take a democracy over the Soviets in the 80s, or CCP/North Korea today. I can't imagine what the world would have looked like if the Soviets had won the cold war, or if the CCP wins the next.

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I feel like I'm thrown back to the 80s, all this military and fear mongering and propaganda and war.

Never mind the 80s, I feel like I'm thrown back into the 1950s with all this talk of surveillance balloons. What kind of oddball nonsense is China playing. Haven't they heard of satellites?

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For anyone who wants a bit of entirely factual context COMPLETELY absent from mainstream reporting. US Military to Use High-Altitude Balloons Against China, Russia: Report https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/07/06/us-military-balloo...

Yeah but we're team America world police so we can do what we want /s

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The demonization of China is politically advantageous. Publicizing incursions like this assists in the demonization (to be clear, it is think it’s warranted — the amount is espionage perpetrated by China on the US, corporate and cyber and governmental, Is insane)

Forced labour camps, genocide, authoritarian, cyber warfare against other nations, salami slicing neighbours, purposefully violating air space over other nations. I don't think China needs any demonisation. This is just showing its reality. If anything both sides of the political spectrum doesn't want to get into showing China as the demon because unlike the previous cold war, they are not sure if they can win it or…

China is weakening. Centralization of power is making the government brittle. The government is deeply unpopular domestically, and there is no outlet for this resentment so it's continually building. China has no real allies; most countries, especially their neighbours, deeply distrust them. China's demographic outlook is terrible; the population has peaked and they've transitioned directly from enforced one-child to hardly anyone wanting more than one child.

China is indeed extremely powerful but it has peaked.

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post #391

I feel like I'm thrown back to the 80s, all this military and fear mongering and propaganda and war.

For all its flaws, I'd take a democracy over the Soviets in the 80s, or CCP/North Korea today. I can't imagine what the world would have looked like if the Soviets had won the cold war, or if the CCP wins the next.

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite.

-John Kenneth Galbraith

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FYI: this article has nearly 10k words and a 35 min estimated reading time.

AI summary: Adversary drones are spying on the U.S. and the Pentagon is acting like they are UFOs. This gross inaction and the stigma surrounding unexplained aerial phenomena has led to a massive failure in U.S. military intelligence. It is likely that a wide array of explanations exist for the UFO mystery, and America's prevailing cultural issues and the general stigma surrounding UFOs was successfully targeted and…

That's a cute bookmark, though this is unfortunate:

https://labs.kagi.com/ai/sum?url=file:////etc/passwd

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the chinese have been spying on us navy ships for a long time with drones. the public is just becoming aware because there was a big ufo awareness campaign that ran online for a few years and now we are shooting down their spy crafts.

Yeah. I have been following those reports on The Drive for a long time. It is the most plausible explanation for the events reported by Naval personnel. It still doesn't change the fact that the objects shot down in the last couple of days are probably just balloons or other lighter-than-air crafts. It will be interesting to see how much information the DoD releases.

Also would explain why the majority of these modern sightings is in American airspace.

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post #391

I feel like I'm thrown back to the 80s, all this military and fear mongering and propaganda and war.

For all its flaws, I'd take a democracy over the Soviets in the 80s, or CCP/North Korea today. I can't imagine what the world would have looked like if the Soviets had won the cold war, or if the CCP wins the next.

Most counterfactual fiction in this space has the repressive state continuing to be repressive and normalising "othering" of and it's a well trodden path. Robert Harris, Len Deighton, Ira Levin, Yevgeny Zamyatin. Harry Harrison, Ward Moore.

Winning under MAD is moot. There undoubtedly will be losers at scale.

Historians differ if forcing the soviets to bankruptcy was necessarily better than a rapprochement. It worked, sure but like the end of ww1 gave birth to stab in the back rightist views of history, the FSU is now a kleptocracy and minor fights in Africa and the Middle east are now entrenched social cancers.

Afghanistan and the role of US funds to Pakistan on the region. Not a net benefit all told.

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