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Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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Post by landemva »

mdp2021 wrote: post #128
7speter wrote: post #118

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> Then I see old folks or one 30y/o woman in the supermarket wearing a mask, and I remember that this protects them too. I have a hard time believing that after 2 years of messaging about why people should take a vaccine that this is an “honest question”

> I have a hard time believing that after 2 years of messaging about why You must have forgotten that they have been two years of communicational failures.

I just read this January 2023 article by a person with last name Fauci that claims coronaviruses have never been controlled by vaccines. More communication problems or admission of mistakes?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9832587

Rethinking next-generation vaccines for coronaviruses, influenzaviruses, and other respiratory viruses David M. Morens, Jeffery K. Taubenberger, and Anthony S. Fauci

'Because these viruses generally do not elicit complete and durable protective immunity by themselves, they have not to date been effectively controlled by licensed or experimental vaccines. In this review, we examine challenges that have impeded development of effective mucosal respiratory vaccines ...'

Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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Post by bglazer »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #120
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #115

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I believe that the technocratic culture of US medicine is standing in the way of research on intranasal vaccines. What you consistently hear from medical professionals is, "we have this proven technology, it works, the objections to it are irrational, can we please just be sensible?" So far, so good… (I'm a bit of a technocrat myself) But why are people so afraid of vaccines in particular? There are all sorts of argu…

People are scared of needles is incredibly dismissive and likely intentionally insulting. People aren't afraid of the needles; they're concerned about the unknown impacts of what's being injected through the needles. While needle phobia exists, it's very small percentage of those who didn't want the mystery chemical cocktail pushed by those who openly told countless "noble" lies. The vast majority of these people hav…

I think it was perfectly reasonable to take the tact of waiting to see the safety of mRNA vaccines.

Now, however, they’re considerably less mysterious than you say they are. Several billion people have now received them, and any honest reading of the evidence from that would strongly support them being very very safe. If there were serious safety problems, we would have seen them undeniably by now.

Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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Post by oaktrout »

anonymouskimmer wrote: post #119
technimad wrote: post #104

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Honest question: why are you vaccinating while you also identify as low risk?

Humoral vaccines do provide some limited protection when it comes to transmission. Nothing like a mucosal vaccine would. But an additional line of protection for the susceptible we may come in contact with. For full disclosure I don't vaccinate anymore (waiting until the mucosal vaccines are available). But I understand those who do, especially if they are around other people when maskless more than I am.

I was under the impression that there is no data showing that the covid mrna vaccines reduce transmission. If you are aware of a source that says otherwise I would love to check it out.

Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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Post by throwawaaarrgh »

technimad wrote: post #104
throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #38

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Sometimes I think I'm the only low risk person left on the planet wearing a mask and vaccinating. Then I see old folks or one 30y/o woman in the supermarket wearing a mask, and I remember that this protects them too. There's even some performers asking fans to mask up so high risk people can come to their shows. Gives me a tiny glimmer of hope for humanity.

Honest question: why are you vaccinating while you also identify as low risk?

Because vaccines lower the likelihood and severity of infection and do not have any significant negative side effect.

Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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Post by throwawaaarrgh »

PM_me_your_math wrote: post #47
throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #38

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Sometimes I think I'm the only low risk person left on the planet wearing a mask and vaccinating. Then I see old folks or one 30y/o woman in the supermarket wearing a mask, and I remember that this protects them too. There's even some performers asking fans to mask up so high risk people can come to their shows. Gives me a tiny glimmer of hope for humanity.

You're still touching things, then touching your face. You're still breathing the same air as everyone. You're still moving through clouds of expelled vapor from everyone who has walked in front of you recently. There is no hermetic seal around your nose and mouth if you wear a mask. Your eyes are exposed to the air. And if you wear the same mask more than once, you are trapping all sorts of bacteria and other nastie…

If there's a one in a million chance that my wearing a mask might prevent me from unwittingly getting or transmitting COVID and that spreading to a high risk person, I'll take it. You make your life choices, I'll make mine. Thanks.

Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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Post by throwawaaarrgh »

gadders wrote: post #87
TEP_Kim_Il_Sung wrote: post #72

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Some masks do work. https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/respiratory-protection-us/produc...

If you or someone in your family is immuno-suppressed, have at it. Otherwise in terms of risk avoidance you might as well start wearing a crash helmet when you ride the bus just in case.

30,000 die in the US in car accidents every year. crash helmets, race harnesses, and roll cages would save thousands of lives. but I get that some people rather die than wear safety gear.

Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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Post by TEP_Kim_Il_Sung »

throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #146
gadders wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you or someone in your family is immuno-suppressed, have at it. Otherwise in terms of risk avoidance you might as well start wearing a crash helmet when you ride the bus just in case.

30,000 die in the US in car accidents every year. crash helmets, race harnesses, and roll cages would save thousands of lives. but I get that some people rather die than wear safety gear.

If you've ever seen a motorcycle cop ticket a driver for not wearing theur seatbelt, you would know it's not about safety.

Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

oaktrout wrote: post #143
anonymouskimmer wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Humoral vaccines do provide some limited protection when it comes to transmission. Nothing like a mucosal vaccine would. But an additional line of protection for the susceptible we may come in contact with. For full disclosure I don't vaccinate anymore (waiting until the mucosal vaccines are available). But I understand those who do, especially if they are around other people when maskless more than I am.

I was under the impression that there is no data showing that the covid mrna vaccines reduce transmission. If you are aware of a source that says otherwise I would love to check it out.

I can't find the article I read a month or so ago that indicated a low protection of around 20% compared to vaccinated.

Here's a much older article about the original omicron (quite distinct from the BA.2 descendants we have now): https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7109e1.htm

> The ARs among household contacts of index patients who had received a COVID-19 booster dose, of fully vaccinated index patients who completed their COVID-19 primary series within the previous 5 months, and of unvaccinated index patients were 42.7% (47 of 110), 43.6% (17 of 39), and 63.9% (69 of 108), respectively.

Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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Post by Supermancho »

Eisenstein wrote: post #138
Supermancho wrote: post #137

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>> "The same people who refuse the vaccine take unknown substances in 'supplements' which have no regulation at all. It makes no sense. Explain it." >> The "outrage over vaccines and not other things" is in part because the mrna vaccines are new technology. People are hesitant to try something totally new on themselves. > The MMR vaccines are not mRNA. You are completely missing the point. Ironic, as you now choose t…

You missing the entire context of the conversation and replying to a specific part of my response to another person is not a miscommunication, but OK. I didn't 'introduce' anything. The grandparent post is about 'vaccines' in general. the mRNA vaccine is one of them.

> You missing the entire context of the conversation

The entire comment section of this article can be perused in a few minutes. Cntrl-f and I find all your comments. At this moment there are 5 (4 of which are this thread). There hasn't been some elaborate discussion that's hard to follow.

> replying to a specific part of my response to another person is not a miscommunication,

Plainly dishonest. Got it.

Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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Post by latchkey »

landemva wrote: post #141
mdp2021 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have a hard time believing that after 2 years of messaging about why You must have forgotten that they have been two years of communicational failures.

I just read this January 2023 article by a person with last name Fauci that claims coronaviruses have never been controlled by vaccines. More communication problems or admission of mistakes? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9832587 Rethinking next-generation vaccines for coronaviruses, influenzaviruses, and other respiratory viruses David M. Morens, Jeffery K. Taubenberger, and Anthony S. Fauci 'Because t…

> with last name Fauci that claims coronaviruses have never been controlled by vaccines

Actually, the full text is:

"Viruses that replicate in the human respiratory mucosa without infecting systemically, including influenza A, SARS-CoV-2, endemic coronaviruses, RSV, and many other “common cold” viruses, cause significant mortality and morbidity and are important public health concerns. Because these viruses generally do not elicit complete and durable protective immunity by themselves, they have not to date been effectively controlled by licensed or experimental vaccines."

The authors of the paper (not just Fauci) named off a group of different viruses, not just a single one. Taken in the stated context, it should make a lot more sense to anyone who reads this stuff.

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