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Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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Post by ifyoubuildit »

Eisenstein wrote: post #122
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are scared of needles is incredibly dismissive and likely intentionally insulting. People aren't afraid of the needles; they're concerned about the unknown impacts of what's being injected through the needles. While needle phobia exists, it's very small percentage of those who didn't want the mystery chemical cocktail pushed by those who openly told countless "noble" lies. The vast majority of these people hav…

None of this address his main point of 'why the vaccines when pharma has does the same thing a bunch of times to other things yet people still take tylenol (which is demonstrably toxic and causes serious illness and death all the time)'? The same people who refuse the vaccine take unknown substances in 'supplements' which have no regulation at all. It makes no sense. Explain it.

I refused the vaccine and I don't take supplements unless my doctor tells me to. I don't take tylenol either, or really anything else that I don't absolutely need (e.g. antibiotics for an infection that won't clear on its own).

Maybe these "same people" that you're describing exist, but they definitely aren't everyone in the set of people who refused the vaccine. They might just be the loud people.

Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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Post by Eisenstein »

ifyoubuildit wrote: post #131
Eisenstein wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of this address his main point of 'why the vaccines when pharma has does the same thing a bunch of times to other things yet people still take tylenol (which is demonstrably toxic and causes serious illness and death all the time)'? The same people who refuse the vaccine take unknown substances in 'supplements' which have no regulation at all. It makes no sense. Explain it.

I refused the vaccine and I don't take supplements unless my doctor tells me to. I don't take tylenol either, or really anything else that I don't absolutely need (e.g. antibiotics for an infection that won't clear on its own). Maybe these "same people" that you're describing exist, but they definitely aren't everyone in the set of people who refused the vaccine. They might just be the loud people.

Again, I am not asking for specific explanations. The grandparent comment gave a theory as to why vaccines in general have become fodder for public outrage, when those same arguments against them work for other things that are common, with the outlier being 'needles'.

The parent comment said 'it's not needles, don't insult me! it is because this specific vaccine is [same argument against other things which aren't outrage fodder and not addressing any of the other established vaccines which are subject to outrage]. '

It did nothing to explain away the needle aspect except 'needle phobia is uncommon', which explains nothing since a phobia is DSM classified as a 'disorder' and an 'aversion to needles' wouldn't count.

Thanks for telling me about yourself, though. It was interesting.

Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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Post by oaktrout »

Eisenstein wrote: post #127
oaktrout wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can explain it. Tylenol has been around since 1955 and is only demonstrably toxic in overdoses. The mrna based vaccines have been only used for the past couple years, hence long term side effects are unknown. Not everyone who refuses the vaccine takes supplements. Your comparison is like saying "why don't you take this research chemical ('molly'), you smoke cannabis already".

You didn't explain it, you explained around it. I didn't ask why specifically about tylenol and supplements, I said explain why the outrage over vaccines and not other things.

You said "The same people who refuse the vaccine take unknown substances in 'supplements' which have no regulation at all. It makes no sense. Explain it." I replied to that point directly.

The "outrage over vaccines and not other things" is in part because the mrna vaccines are new technology. People are hesitant to try something totally new on themselves.

Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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Post by maxerickson »

anonymouskimmer wrote: post #121
maxerickson wrote: post #32

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You have to look at both sides of the intervention, right? Like if isolating that kid doesn't prevent any further infections, then it isn't doing any good. If isolating them for 3 days prevents a couple other kids from getting infected, it's less clear. Using PCR tests to evaluate clearance doesn't make sense though, since they can be positive if there are fragments but no viable virus.

> Using PCR tests to evaluate clearance doesn't make sense though, since they can be positive if there are fragments but no viable virus. It's a cost and time issue. The cost of filtering snot, inoculating a culture dish of infectable cells with the filtered snot, waiting a couple of days for the cells to show signs of infection (cell swelling or bursting), and then running a PCR test on the cells in the culture dish…

A series of well administered rapid antigen tests is more useful than PCR.

Just waiting a couple days after symptoms abate is also going to bring most of the benefit of testing for clearance.

Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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Post by Eisenstein »

oaktrout wrote: post #133
Eisenstein wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn't explain it, you explained around it. I didn't ask why specifically about tylenol and supplements, I said explain why the outrage over vaccines and not other things.

You said "The same people who refuse the vaccine take unknown substances in 'supplements' which have no regulation at all. It makes no sense. Explain it." I replied to that point directly. The "outrage over vaccines and not other things" is in part because the mrna vaccines are new technology. People are hesitant to try something totally new on themselves.

The MMR vaccines are not mRNA. You are completely missing the point. See my other comment in this thread if you want a specific breakdown.

Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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Post by barbazoo »

sokoloff wrote: post #99
barbazoo wrote: post #98

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Tested positive for COVID

I'm not sure what point you're making there. COVID is the disease. SARS-CoV2 is the pathogen. That patient's individual experience is their illness.

I think it's clear to most what is meant by "tested positive for COVID"

Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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Post by Supermancho »

Eisenstein wrote: post #135
oaktrout wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You said "The same people who refuse the vaccine take unknown substances in 'supplements' which have no regulation at all. It makes no sense. Explain it." I replied to that point directly. The "outrage over vaccines and not other things" is in part because the mrna vaccines are new technology. People are hesitant to try something totally new on themselves.

The MMR vaccines are not mRNA. You are completely missing the point. See my other comment in this thread if you want a specific breakdown.

>> "The same people who refuse the vaccine take unknown substances in 'supplements' which have no regulation at all. It makes no sense. Explain it."

>> The "outrage over vaccines and not other things" is in part because the mrna vaccines are new technology. People are hesitant to try something totally new on themselves.

> The MMR vaccines are not mRNA. You are completely missing the point.

Ironic, as you now choose to ignore the explanation.

If you failed to explain an implicit assumption, that's ok, as it's hard to communicate over forums. Introducing MMR (there is no reference to this in "another post") as if there was a misunderstanding on the poster's part is a non-sequitor at best and dishonest at worst.

Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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Post by Eisenstein »

Supermancho wrote: post #137
Eisenstein wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The MMR vaccines are not mRNA. You are completely missing the point. See my other comment in this thread if you want a specific breakdown.

>> "The same people who refuse the vaccine take unknown substances in 'supplements' which have no regulation at all. It makes no sense. Explain it." >> The "outrage over vaccines and not other things" is in part because the mrna vaccines are new technology. People are hesitant to try something totally new on themselves. > The MMR vaccines are not mRNA. You are completely missing the point. Ironic, as you now choose t…

You missing the entire context of the conversation and replying to a specific part of my response to another person is not a miscommunication, but OK.

I didn't 'introduce' anything. The grandparent post is about 'vaccines' in general. the mRNA vaccine is one of them.

Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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Post by landemva »

sokoloff wrote: post #41
neoromantique wrote: post #26

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How often do they exhibit symptoms AND trigger a PCR test?

People who recovered from C19 many weeks ago and are no longer contagious can still test positive on a PCR test. Catch C19, recover, get the sniffles in the next 2 months, get PCR tested, require a parent to take off work and the kid to sit out 10 days [possibly more than once] is not a reasonable policy IMO.

PCR test amplifies whatever was swabbed, usually from the nose (an air filter). A positive result does not prove there is an infection.

Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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Post by tadfisher »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #123
atomicUpdate wrote: post #74

> “For me, as an immunologist, the fact that there's this natural immune receptor that we didn't know about, that's lining our lungs and blocks and controls virus, that's crazy interesting. So natural immunity is a real thing.

It was a wildly popular view here on Hacker New at the height of covid hysteria that even those with natural immunity should still be forced to get whatever injections the governments deemed necessary because "it makes the paperwork easier to track if everyone is required and there is ZERO RISK! ABSOLUTELY ZERO RISK!!!!" There are still a few holdouts here on naturally acquired immunity being inferior to being given…

Let's not pretend: it was a wildly popular view since the invention of vaccines, because the central thesis of vaccination is a numbers game; an epidemic or pandemic can be stopped once the immunity of a population reaches a certain threshold.

This was recognized in 1905 with the Jacobson v Massachusetts decision, in the 1950s-1960s with mass polio immunization (resulting in the deaths of hundreds of children to prevent the infection of hundreds of thousands in the US), and today with required MMR vaccines to attend public schools. The view that one should be able to opt out of vaccination programs is the novel one.

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