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Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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> one week and a half of school when you're 8 I think you're vastly underestimating how often kids exhibit symptoms potentially consistent with Covid during a school year.

How often do they exhibit symptoms AND trigger a PCR test?

People who recovered from C19 many weeks ago and are no longer contagious can still test positive on a PCR test.

Catch C19, recover, get the sniffles in the next 2 months, get PCR tested, require a parent to take off work and the kid to sit out 10 days [possibly more than once] is not a reasonable policy IMO.

Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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From the point of view of someone who is immunocompromised this seems like the bare minimum we can do as a society to protect the vulnerable. Something between “almost nothing” and “nobody leaving the house” would be nice. At the moment we’re at “almost nothing”.

Isolating and denying effective schooling to every kid who comes down with a one-day mild illness for ten days does not seem like a risk-proportionate response to me.

> Isolating and denying effective schooling to every kid who comes down with a one-day mild illness for ten days does not seem like a risk-proportionate response to me.

Example had COVID, not a one-day mild illness so it might affect other children worse than the kid. I'd like to know what the negative effect of that really is, my gut feeling is that it's zero. People often make it sound like they end up insufficiently educated and socially isolated which is bs in my opinion.

Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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That's good. But the lower lungs already get seepage of body serum/humoral igM and igG. If you really want to protect against infections then you have to induce mucosal immunity (and get tissue resident B and T cells) in the surface layer of the upper respiratory. Unfortunately intramuscular vaccinations do not do that, they only give serum/humoral immunity. So they're only the first step to protect against serious d…

I'm surprised we haven't gotten an intranasal vaccine before now. We've been talking about the issues with intramuscular vaccines in regards to mucosal immunity since the very beginning.

There's been a few attempts, but they haven't proven to be effective, e.g. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41591-022-00106-z

Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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To me the more interesting aspect of this research is the possibility to test susceptibility to severe infection. If you know ahead of time you are high risk, then the treatment and behavior is different than someone who knows they are low risk. Right now we treat everything the same - recommend everyone is vaccinated and everyone wear masks during outbreaks. I’d really like to know how at risk I am, and act accordin…

Comorbidities have always been indicators of risk. You're more likely high risk if you already have health issues, are morbidly obese, or over the age of 70.

Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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How often do they exhibit symptoms AND trigger a PCR test?

People who recovered from C19 many weeks ago and are no longer contagious can still test positive on a PCR test. Catch C19, recover, get the sniffles in the next 2 months, get PCR tested, require a parent to take off work and the kid to sit out 10 days [possibly more than once] is not a reasonable policy IMO.

Testing positive months after does happen, but is extremely rare, and yes, missing few days of school/work is not that big of a deal considering risks involved.

Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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(Disclaimer: covid averse, lost family member, upset with society for “being done.”) I’m not sure what to think about this. A year+ ago, I would have worried that folks would treat a low-risk evaluation as a permission slip to say “the pandemic is over for me,” stop masking/etc, and thus increase the aggregate spread of the virus to folks who are high risk. But now everyone is already doing that anyway. So yeah, it w…

Sometimes I think I'm the only low risk person left on the planet wearing a mask and vaccinating. Then I see old folks or one 30y/o woman in the supermarket wearing a mask, and I remember that this protects them too. There's even some performers asking fans to mask up so high risk people can come to their shows. Gives me a tiny glimmer of hope for humanity.

You're still touching things, then touching your face. You're still breathing the same air as everyone. You're still moving through clouds of expelled vapor from everyone who has walked in front of you recently. There is no hermetic seal around your nose and mouth if you wear a mask. Your eyes are exposed to the air. And if you wear the same mask more than once, you are trapping all sorts of bacteria and other nasties in a soup of sweat, oils, and grime on your face. Masks are mostly theater in everything but controlled environments.

Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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There do seem to be some alternative views on the role of this protein, LRRC15, in the lungs with respect to Sars-CoV-2. See this other paper (Feb 3 2023):

https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/jou...

Just to cover the basics, the virus normally accesses cells by binding to ACE2.

> "The interactions between Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) and human host factors enable the virus to propagate infections that lead to Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19). The spike protein is the largest structural component of the virus and mediates interactions essential for infection, including with the primary angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) receptor."

There is a key role played in viral production by furin in ACE2-receptor-binding, which is an 'ubiquitous serine protease' in mammalian cells which plays key roles in processing hormones, growth factors, etc. and which is also exploited by many infectious diseases. This feature of Sars-CoV-2 is of course directly related to the notion that the virus was engineered, because:

> "The presence of a multibasic site (Arg-Arg-Ala-Arg) located at the S1–S2 junction, which is cleaved by furin (Fig. 1), distinguishes SARS-CoV-2 from SARS-CoV and all other known sarbecoviruses whose S protein is not cleaved by furin-like proteases during virus maturation in the infected cell. Cleavage of the S1–S2 boundary is a prerequisite for the cleavage of the S2′ site126, and both cleavage events are essential to initiate the membrane-fusion process."

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41580-021-00418-x

Accounting for the appearance of this furin cleavage site is a problem for anyone promoting a 'natural origin theory'.

Getting back to this new protein and its potential role, the other paper (first source above) seems to have a different conclusion:

> "Levels of LRRC15 were greatly elevated by inflammatory signals in the lungs of COVID-19 patients. Although infection assays demonstrated that LRRC15 alone is not sufficient to permit viral entry, we present evidence that it can modulate infection of human cells. This unexpected interaction merits further investigation to determine how SARS-CoV-2 exploits host LRRC15 and whether it could account for any of the distinctive features of COVID-19."

Their work seems to imply it might not block infection of cells, but instead enhance infection:

> "In order to examine whether LRRC15 might modulate the efficiency of viral entry into ACE2-expressing cells, we employed the naturally susceptible human lung cell line (CaLu-3) that is commonly used as a model for coronavirus infection [47]. We introduced LRRC15 ectopically to these cells to emulate the expression seen in other human lung cell populations we identified in our expression analysis. Compared to unmodified CaLu-3 cells that lack any detectable LRRC15, the expression of LRRC15 modestly enhanced viral infection"

Science is complicated, and popular media reports on recent science are often of very poor quality.

Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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Isolating and denying effective schooling to every kid who comes down with a one-day mild illness for ten days does not seem like a risk-proportionate response to me.

> Isolating and denying effective schooling to every kid who comes down with a one-day mild illness for ten days does not seem like a risk-proportionate response to me. Example had COVID, not a one-day mild illness so it might affect other children worse than the kid. I'd like to know what the negative effect of that really is, my gut feeling is that it's zero. People often make it sound like they end up insufficient…

> Example had COVID, not a one-day mild illness

Unless we are doubting the description of the parent, example had mild illness (the patient's experience of ill health) for less than one day: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34752442

Re: Scientists discover receptor that blocks Covid-19 infection

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I'm surprised we haven't gotten an intranasal vaccine before now. We've been talking about the issues with intramuscular vaccines in regards to mucosal immunity since the very beginning.

There's been a few attempts, but they haven't proven to be effective, e.g. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41591-022-00106-z

China has been rolling one out in addition to Sinovax.
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