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“How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by redbar0n »

edenceover wrote: post #374

> Today, the supreme commander of NATO is Jens Stoltenberg, a committed anti-communist, who served as Norway’s prime minister for eight years before moving to his high NATO post, with American backing, in 2014. He was a hardliner on all things Putin and Russia who had cooperated with the American intelligence community since the Vietnam War. He has been trusted completely since. “He is the glove that fits the America…

«Stoltenberg and Støre discussed the possibilities for the job of secretary general in NATO already in 2010, Klassekampen writes.

It was the year before Norway took part in extensive bombing of Libya«

https://e24-no.translate.goog/karriere-og-ledelse/i/xPlw8V/h...

«lieutenant colonel Tormod Heier said: - In its first years, the Stoltenberg government had a bad reputation in the USA, partly because we did not contribute in southern Afghanistan. After SV was weakened in the 2009 election, Libya became an opportunity to repair relations with the United States. This has contributed to the fact that Norway has now moved up a division in NATO .

And as a thank you for his efforts, Jens Stoltenberg was appointed Secretary General of NATO.«

https://www-dagsavisen-no.translate.goog/kultur/2014/10/15/s...

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by redbar0n »

mzs wrote: post #648
edenceover wrote: post #374

> Today, the supreme commander of NATO is Jens Stoltenberg, a committed anti-communist, who served as Norway’s prime minister for eight years before moving to his high NATO post, with American backing, in 2014. He was a hardliner on all things Putin and Russia who had cooperated with the American intelligence community since the Vietnam War. He has been trusted completely since. “He is the glove that fits the America…

Thanks, Vietnam was over in '75, Stoltenberg was 16 then. It's just all so absurd.

Hersh possibly confused Jens with his father Thorvald Stoltenberg. Who travelled to North-Vietnam in 1970 to negotiate between them and USA, and who was commended for his negotiating skills by the am. intel community in a declassified rapport from 1980.

See my other comment for sources.

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by trogdor »

nborwankar wrote: post #942
trogdor wrote: post #866

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If people choose to give him lies and misinformation, he may end up publishing conspiracy theories instead. I am an investigative reporter who covers crime, and my sources often insist on anonymity. There are ways to mitigate the possibility of being lied to. All of my sources know that we have a deal: I promise to do everything that I reasonably can to keep their identity secret, and they promise me the truth. If a…

Yes but would you publish this big a story without corroboration? It’s the single source that’s more of a problem than the anonymity.

>Yes but would you publish this big a story without corroboration? It’s the single source that’s more of a problem than the anonymity.

No, but corroboration doesn't require multiple sources.

For example, sources often provide copies of official records that corroborate their story. That can be enough, particularly when the authenticity of the records can be independently verified.

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by daxfohl »

I don't get it. US wanted it gone, Russia wanted it gone, Norway wanted it gone. Other comments suggest other countries wanted it gone too. Now it's gone. Shouldn't countries be lining up to take credit? What's the big deal?

(I'll admit I don't follow politics and had not even heard of this event before today).

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by VincentEvans »

chii wrote: post #792
VincentEvans wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russian attempts to withstand the economic pressure of sanctions have been successful insofar as to prevent a collapse, but the pressure is crushing on all aspects of the economy, as well as any hopes for Russia for economic and industrial development. Brain drain, loss of foreign investment, technology imports, diminishing consumer activity, falling real estate markets - are just some of the headwinds that are in ef…

> Brain drain, loss of foreign investment, technology imports, diminishing consumer activity, falling real estate markets I dont think the kremlin cares for any of these, except may be with brain drain (which they can easily fix by preventing movement of people). As long as russia produces enough food for the population, a subsistence living is "good enough" in the eyes of the kremlin, and thus these sanctions doesn'…

It’s hard to wage full-scale war on proceeds from subsistence economy. The sanctions aim to cut off income that Kremlin can use to finance war - they are effective, if slow acting. They also aim to avoid being a double-sided blade and inflict economic hardship on Russia while sparing the West as much as possible - they have largely accomplished that as well.

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Post by make3 »

trogdor wrote: post #866
Lazare wrote: post #591

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seymour Hersh has had a long and storied career, and he has made some very bold claims that later turned out to be correct. He's also, especially recently, made some very bold claims that so far have not turned out to be correct, whether because the truth just hasn't been revealed yet, or because Hersh was wrong or misled by his sources. It's also worth noting that Hersh - as with any journalist - is only as good as…

>If people choose to give him lies and misinformation, he may end up publishing conspiracy theories instead. I am an investigative reporter who covers crime, and my sources often insist on anonymity. There are ways to mitigate the possibility of being lied to. All of my sources know that we have a deal: I promise to do everything that I reasonably can to keep their identity secret, and they promise me the truth. If a…

you're holding their identity hostage like that? I would just not talk to you

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Post by avgcorrection »

syzarian wrote: post #2

Seymour doesn’t provide any proof or any evidence. It’s argument by assertion. What he writes is plausible but without any sources or other corroborating evidence. I think it more believable that Seymour has been paid to write this by a Russian aligned entity. I don’t know the truth of the matter and Seymour could be right. We just can’t tell from the evidence provided.

Seymour’s evidence: an anonymous source.

Your evidence against Seymour: “I think it more believable.” (Based on what? Exactly nothing.)

Not to mention that “paid to write” is not even hearsay: you just made it up as a theory, without any hint towards anything happening in the real world.

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by avgcorrection »

mlindner wrote: post #732
LarryMullins wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seymour Hersh has a very credible background and reputation. Assuming he is still lucid in his age, hasn't become a senile puppet of a ghost writer, then it would be foolish to write off his claims just because he isn't telling you who his source is.

Seymour Hersh is also 85 years old, long into his retirement with likely partially declining faculties. When you get older your "bullshit filter" starts to go away as well. Also he has a long career of attacking the US government so anything that "rhymes" with that is going to fit his own confirmation bias.

Your logical fallacy: Dismissal by referring to general facts that don’t necessarily pertain to a particular individual. You don’t know anything about his age-related cognitive decline, i.e. if there even is any. Some people get it relatively young, some relatively (and absolutely) older.
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