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No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

#181

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> The challenge with socialized medicine is that we should now push to ban alcohol, logically. That has not worked in the past. Do you think it would work any better nowadays?

Could present-day China pull something like that off?

The reason its effectively impossible to ban alcohol is because the precursors are sugar, water, and yeast. It's trivial to make alcohol even in small apartments.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

#182
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That’s not really universally true. There are plenty of things where any amount does harm.

Which ones are like that?

Plutonium is a good one to start with. Poison and radioactive.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

#183

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> Which is ironic, because, while most people use the "Linear no-threshold" model for radiation, we know that small amounts of radiation are actually beneficial. How could ionizing radiation be beneficial? Unless the argument is exposure to ultraviolet in order to get Vitamin D, I can’t imagine ionizing radiation to be beneficial in any way. Edit: > The good includes abundant evidence showing increased 1) physiologic…

> How could ionizing radiation be beneficial? I'm not going to pretend that I understand the reasons. But there have been a lot of studies. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2477686/

Just because something does not work in theory does not mean that it does not work in practice.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

#184
post #80

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of course, this "expert" has no self-interest for pushing this kind of stuff?

What would that self interest be?

publish another paper in two years fully financed.

or find another job.

what would you chose?

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

#185

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The dose makes the poison - Paracelsus

> “We cannot talk about a so-called safe level of alcohol use. It doesn’t matter how much you drink – the risk to the drinker’s health starts from the first drop of any alcoholic beverage. The only thing that we can say for sure is that the more you drink, the more harmful it is – or, in other words, the less you drink, the safer it is,” explains Dr Carina Ferreira-Borges, acting Unit Lead for Noncommunicable Disease…

Why is alcohol only dangerous in alcoholic beverages? Fruit juice (they real stuff) also contains small amounts of alcohol, for example.

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

#186

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If you drink the average every day, you will spend a large part of your days inebriated. And if you don't drink the average every day, you will be deeply drunk every few days. It's completely unreasonable to call that level of consumption "light".

1 pint of beer will get you drunk - more like your tolerance is abnormally low and your projecting it on everyone else.

maybe "not get you drunk"?

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

#187
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The thinking is backwards on this. They state there is no scientific safe drinking level. They even compare it to radiation. The goal is to establish an unsafe level. it's like saying there is no safe speed to drive a car - sure that's technically true, but worthless to say.

I do not agree with your analogy or theirs. First most people have to drive at some point in their lives. Driving is not a choice we get to make so the associated risks are not something we can deal with. While it is debatable if you can avoid drinking socially many people do for a variety of reasons. The article is fairly clear. Drinking alcohol will increase cancer risks. And like someone eloquently said above you the real critique is not it is stupid to point out drinking is an avoidable carcinogen but it is our free choice as people to make that trade off knowing you might enjoy it. I think the point about radiation is a better comparison but again like driving it is unavoidable to a degree. We will all go outside more in our lives then is recommended. Once again drinking is not unavoidable. I don't think the article makes a worthless argument and I believe your analogies are false comparisons but I still take your point. I agree drinking is not something people want to avoid so it is certainly up to each person to choose their own acceptable risk but honestly that is more a personal choice that science can advise then a magic number we can all follow.

Edit, I can't read

Re: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

#188

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Do you need sugar, red meat, fat to have a joyful life? You do, don't you. Having a glass of wine or two should be treated the same. If you have religious reservations, please use your energy to fight off islamists who deal drugs, take bribes and marry with young children. Those sin more than people who indulge in a glass of wine or two.

How did we get here from a thread about alcohol prohibition? Are they an existential threat in your country?

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