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Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by trynewideas »

jiocrag wrote: post #7

Fortune now confirming: https://fortune.com/2023/02/09/github-is-laying-off-10-of-st...

Another stupid demonym in a layoff letter!

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Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

LarryMullins wrote: post #279
bmy78 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Teams is the result of Microsoft taking a look at Slack and saying, how can we make this feel more like Excel?

I wish I could believe that Microsoft appreciates Excel that much. Excel is one of the most empowering applications ever written and the single greatest thing Microsoft has ever been involved with.

Credit where due, spreadsheet applications were already established AND bundled into suites by the time Microsoft got around to leveraging their market position to make Office the de facto standard. But, yeah, I owe most of my career to making real web apps out of badly designed, hard to use, vile to share, yet somehow better than nothing Excel workbooks. Even with all the modern trappings, and besides specific applications like Photoshop or CATIA, you could probably still run a company on just email and Excel, because people will make Excel do whatever they need, no matter how lumbering the monster becomes.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by dzikimarian »

gunshai wrote: post #188
ledauphin wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is terrifying. for all the grief people give Slack, I've used both and I would seriously consider leaving a company that expected me to use Teams long term.

Can someone give me the TLDR on why they hate teams so much? I suppose I work in an organization with few true "technical" folks, and everyone is under Microsoft licenses so it doesn't seem like that big of a deal. I've used both slack and teams. What am I really missing out on here?

* Call in 2 minutes, customer sent teams link. You tap it on your phone.

* You expect to enter nickname and connect as a guest (my company doesn't use teams)

* F.. u. Today we're going to log into Microsoft account. No option to abort.

* Personal account doesn't work (bonus points if you already have private office 365 logged in and it defaults to this account, then takes you straight to the error or tells you after 2FA).

* Kill app/reopen? 50% success rate.

After a few times I figured out that best way is to nuke the app data the moment it shows you login screen. And got PTSD.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by Rafert »

cacois wrote: post #277
softwaredoug wrote: post #201

I really liked Shopify's remote model of not closing offices, but turning them into "ports" for teams in major cities to get together throughout the year for planning, team building, and retreats. You had an official place to get together, enjoy the perks of tech company offices, but with the intention of deep short bursts of interaction rather than focused work.

Doesn't that mean they still pay for the real estate? I wonder how viable it is to keep that cost on the books for ad-hoc usage.

They were locked into long term leases anyway: https://storeys.com/shopify-the-well-toronto-office-space-su...

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by karmasimida »

FollowingTheDao wrote: post #255
Raed667 wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Officies, especially the great ones (as in also very expensive) create an irrational emotional attachment and are very hard to downsize on them without impacting morale.

It’s disturbing to think that people think human connection is irrational. I guess y’all forgot that that was how labor unions were formed.

Office is where people used work, it is not a monument which I think many here seem to make it so

If no one is working there anywhere it doesn’t need to exist

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by jrochkind1 »

axlee wrote: post #324
widowlark wrote: post #244

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The problem is that its very top heavy and is not well done, has lots of UI bugs and really is a pain to work with

For meetings, calls, screensharing, and scheduling it's superior to Slack in every single way. Written experience is worse though. If only Slack spent a month writing a "Schedule a meeting with those people, and add the meeting with a link to everyone's calendar" feature, they would be on par.

One reason Slack maybe doens't, is nobody actually chooses Teams over Slack because of feature set. They choose Teams over Slack because it's "good enough" and included with Office360 which they already have. Meeting Teams feature set may not actually get Slack any more customers at all.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by 6bb32646d83d »

nickpeterson wrote: post #51

Just wait till Microsoft starts charging a license for vs code and developers heads implode.

It would be a huge bait and switch, but honestly I would most likely end up paying for it. I spend over 4 hours a day in VSCode, and it's better than everything else I've used

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by tomtheelder »

savanaly wrote: post #166
agilob wrote: post #148

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I know I'm in the minority here, but I choose Teams over Slack any day. I much prefer thread-based chat than message based chat. Teams forces people to use top message as a topic, then respond to messages under that topic. Slack message is just a message. You want to search something on Teams, you get full threads, chat is part of documentation. You want to find something on Slack, you need to click on date of the re…

I'm quite confused because almost all conversation in my company's slack happens in threads. Maybe your impression of Slack was formed in a time when they didn't have threads?

Slacks threading model is super weak compared to other options. I haven’t used teams, but I went from Zulip to Slack a little while ago and it felt like a huge step backwards.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by drewcoo »

xpe wrote: post #50
bhaavan wrote: post #6

Gitlab and Github look like they are forked from the same branch. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/09/gitlab-layoffs-company-to-cu...

This metaphor doesn't work for me. Source code is not analogous to organizational behavior. Not to mention it gives readers confused context about the link, which is about GitLab layoffs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway's_law

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by thinkharderdev »

lampshades wrote: post #5

This really is the techpocalypse, huh? I’m young (35) but I’ve never seen layoffs so continuous. I wonder how far into the year this will go and if we’ll ever come back. Maybe companies truly will start offshoring.

Since you are 35 I guess you just missed the financial crisis in 2007. I can assure you that was WAY more intense than what we're seeing now. In fact what we're seeing now isn't an apocalypse of any sort. Basically a bunch of huge tech companies staffed up during the pandemic years and now a combination of high interest rates and a slowing (relative to expectations) economy is battering their stock price. So the activist investors push them to reign in costs (eg reduce headcount). It's what happens in mature industries. Meanwhile, headlines aside about big name tech companies laying people off, the general market for engineering talent is quite strong. Not the level of insanity we were seeing a year or two ago but stronger than I've ever seen (excepting 2021-22) in my entire career. The days of a senior engineer pulling in mid-to-high-6-figures in total comp from a FAANG (or FAANG adjacent) company are probably gone but that was never sustainable anyway.
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