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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by thejammahimself »

dual_dingo wrote: post #32

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

> Github CoPilot? Great, now I have to perform the most mentally taxing part of developing software, namely understanding other people's code (or my own from 6 months ago...) while writing new code. I'm beyond thrilled ...

I think there's an argument to be made that AI is being used here to help you tackle the more trivial tasks so you have more time to focus on the more important, and challenging tasks. Albeit I recognise GitHub CoPilot is legally questionable.

But yes, I agree with your overall point that AI has still not been able to 'think' like a human but rather can only still pretend to think like a human, and history has shown that users are often fooled by this.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by davidkuennen »

dual_dingo wrote: post #32

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

As soon as I open a fresh IDE these days I immediately miss CoPilot and it's the first thing I install.

Hype or not, it's incredibly useful and has increased my productivity by at least 20%. Worth every penny.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by Al-Khwarizmi »

dual_dingo wrote: post #32

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

ChatGPT is of actual help for me in various daily tasks, which was never the case with ELIZA or earlier chatbots which were only good as a curiosity or to have some fun.

Lack of actual human understanding? Of course, by definition a machine will always lack human understanding. Why does that matter so much if it's a helpful tool?

For what it's worth, I do agree that there is a lot of hype. But contrary to blockchain, NFTs, web3, etc., this is actually useful for many people in many everyday use cases.

I see it as more similar to the dot com hype - buying a domain and creating a silly generic website didn't really multiply the value of your company as some people thought in that era, but that doesn't mean that websites weren't a useful technology with staying power, as time has shown.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by coldtea »

joxel wrote: post #62
dual_dingo wrote: post #32

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by [deleted] »

dual_dingo wrote: post #32

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by dual_dingo »

Otek wrote: post #89
dual_dingo wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't. Now you know for a fact :) What I have seen about it ranged from things that can be nearly just as well handled by your $EDITOR's snippet functionality to things where my argument kicked in - I have to verify this generated code does what I want, ergo I have to read and understand something not written by me. Paired with the at least somewhat legally and ethical questionable source of the training data, th…

So stop evangelizing about stuff you haven’t used. Understanding code is easier than writing it from the scratch. That’s why code review doesn’t take as much time as writing code and you still need to prove your code works, even if you wrote it yourself.

I am not evangelizing, I am just stating why this is not for me and my way to write software.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by BulgarianIdiot »

dual_dingo wrote: post #32

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

“It’s just statistics” is an evergreen way to dismiss AI. The problem is you’re also just statistics.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by selbyk »

Otek wrote: post #89
dual_dingo wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't. Now you know for a fact :) What I have seen about it ranged from things that can be nearly just as well handled by your $EDITOR's snippet functionality to things where my argument kicked in - I have to verify this generated code does what I want, ergo I have to read and understand something not written by me. Paired with the at least somewhat legally and ethical questionable source of the training data, th…

So stop evangelizing about stuff you haven’t used. Understanding code is easier than writing it from the scratch. That’s why code review doesn’t take as much time as writing code and you still need to prove your code works, even if you wrote it yourself.

Understanding code is only easier for simple tasks. I've definitely had copilot spit out complex algorithms that looked right at first glance but actually had major issues that required me to write it from scratch.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by jug »

rcme wrote: post #78
dual_dingo wrote: post #32

The "I" in AI is just complete bullshit and I can't understand why so many people are in a awe of a bit of software that chains words to another based on some statistical model. The sad truth is that ChatGPT is about as good an AI as ELIZA was in 1966, it's just better (granted: much better) at hiding its total lack of actual human understanding. It's nothing more than an expensive parlor trick, IMHO. Github CoPilot?…

As much as I’m sick of AI products, I’m even more sick of the “ChatGPT is bullshit” argument.

I like this take. It has many clear applications already and LLM's are still only in their infancy. I both criticize and use ChatGPT at work. It has flaws and it has advantages. That it's bullshit or "ELIZA" is a short-sighted view that overvalues the importance of AGI and misses what we're already getting.

But yes indeed, there are many, many AI products launched during this era of rapid progress. Even kind of shoddy products can be monetized if they provide value over what we had before. I think the crowded market and all the bullshit and all the awesome, all at once, is a sign of very rapid progress in this space. It will probably not always be like this and who knows what we are approaching.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else getting AI fatigue?

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Post by rxhernandez »

bsaul wrote: post #77
rxhernandez wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't understand how engineers are having good experiences with it; a lot of the stuff I've seen it output w.r.t. swe is only correct if you're very generous with your interpretation of it (re: dangerous if you use it as anything more than a casual glance at the tech). W.r.t. anything else it outputs, it's either so generic that I could do it better, outright wrong (e.g. cannot handle something as simple as…

The fact that i can use this tool as a source of inspiration, or a first opinion on any kind of problem on earth is totally incredible. Now whenever i'm stuck on a problem, chatgpt has become an option . And this happens in the artistic world as well with the other branch of NN : "mood boards" can now be generated from prompts infinitely. I don't understand how some engineers still fail to see that a threshold was pa…

I've literally asked it to generate stories from prompts and, it has, without fail, generated the most generic stories I have ever read. High school me could have generated better with little to no effort (and I don't say that lightly) and I'm not a good writer by any means.

Moreover, it's first opinion on the things I'm good at has been a special kind of awful. It generates sentences that are true on their face but, as a complete idea, are outright wrong. I mean, you're effectively gaslighting yourself by learning these half truths. And as someone with unfortunate lengthy experience in being gaslit as a kid, I can tell you that depending on how much you learn from it, you could end up needing to spend 3x as much time learning what you originally sought to learn (if you're lucky and the only three things you need to do is learn it very poorly, unlearn it and relearn it the right way)

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