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“How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by kjlrt »

jonstewart wrote: post #714
Lazare wrote: post #591

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Seymour Hersh has had a long and storied career, and he has made some very bold claims that later turned out to be correct. He's also, especially recently, made some very bold claims that so far have not turned out to be correct, whether because the truth just hasn't been revealed yet, or because Hersh was wrong or misled by his sources. It's also worth noting that Hersh - as with any journalist - is only as good as…

The thing that a good journalist would do is be skeptical of his crank sources and try to confirm them with reputable sources and evidence. He does neither. But a broken clock is right twice a day and a bad journalist can break two big stories in a career of publishing lies.

I think this case is special in that the source would get the Snowden treatment if the name leaks.

If you publish all at once, others can go and verify the details. The source is protected.

If you verify pre-publication, e.g., go to the diving school in Florida and ask too many questions, you (and the source) will be under surveillance in no time.

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Post by stephc_int13 »

SergeAx wrote: post #854
stephc_int13 wrote: post #853

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Germany was hesitant/not fully committed on Ukraine support because of ongoing discussions with Russia about NordStream. USA has been pissed off by this project from the start. This is also a way to send a strong message to Putin.

Anonymous message is never strong. Non-anonymous message is a casus belli.

Well, this is not really anonymous.

I am pretty sure that all secret services and governments around the world are perfectly aware of the situation.

Only the press is playing the hypocrisy game, for some reason.

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Post by _djo_ »

pasquinelli wrote: post #691
hef19898 wrote: post #258

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Yeah, instead of blog posts Hersh should write spy thrillers in tje tradition of the early Tom Clancy works. I would even pay for those, I like the setting and the narrative Hersh oresented in this blog, and the writing, are compelling and good. For a fictional book, not for journalism.

such an odd thing how so many people are likening to tom clancy. are these people comparing notes?

Clancy is far and away the most famous and notable writer of this kind of stuff though, and the name that would have come to me first too if I wanted to make a similar point.

He had a lock on the genre like nobody else before or since.

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_djo_ wrote: post #873
pasquinelli wrote: post #691

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such an odd thing how so many people are likening to tom clancy. are these people comparing notes?

Clancy is far and away the most famous and notable writer of this kind of stuff though, and the name that would have come to me first too if I wanted to make a similar point. He had a lock on the genre like nobody else before or since.

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Post by mannerheim »

kubectl_h wrote: post #831
mannerheim wrote: post #804

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I mean, he also claims Stoltenberg collaborated with American intelligence during Vietnam at the tender age of 16 given his birth date and the end of the war. The whole paragraph is just completely wrong.

Why is it impossible that he hasn't cooperated with American intelligence since the Vietnam war -- a quick cursory search of his name and Vietnam yield many press release type new clippings that he was quite active in protests during that war -- protests that led to the jailing of his friend but conveniently not him...

The idea that the CIA recruited a teenager to infiltrate a group of Norwegian activists for throwing rocks at the American embassy is the silliest thing I've ever heard of. If he had been arrested, I'm sure you'd be saying that was proof he cut a deal with the authorities for lenience in his punishment for petty vandalism.

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Post by hackandthink »

alchemist1e9 wrote: post #545
xg15 wrote: post #535

I find it extremely jarring how many reputable western media outlets immediately jumped to the conclusion that Russia did it even though that made zero sense - but absolutely refused to even consider the possibility that the US or another western state could have done it. But at this point, the article is basically "cool story, bro". The only independently verifyable bits are the public statements of Biden, Nuland, e…

> I find it extremely jarring how many reputable western media outlets immediately jumped to the conclusion that Russia did it even though that made zero sense - but absolutely refused to even consider the possibility that the US or another western state could have done it. One simple hypothesis would be that it is only an illusion that western media outlets are independent from their governments.

A german book by Precht/Welzer argues it's the other way.

The media became a power by itsself and it's the media which influences the government.

And they analyze how the media synchronized itself on certain topics (especially Ukraine war).

https://www.fischerverlage.de/buch/richard-david-precht-hara...

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Post by fromseashore »

imwillofficial wrote: post #625

I’m calling BS. I’m in a position to know and too many operational details are wrong.

Well, it is surely not wrong about the main detail: who gave the order to blow the pipeline.Unless you are living in a fantasy world, as most commenters here. But then, americans know so little about the world outside of their empire, that it is not very surprising.

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Post by hackandthink »

nullc wrote: post #810

Can someone more in tune with global politics explain to me why it hasn't just been assumed that the us did it? We had the motive. We had the means. oh yea, and our president said we would do it in advance of it happening: "If Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine again, then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it." (reporter: "How will you do that, exa…

The best argument against "The US blew it up" is the political risk for the US when the truth comes out.

As CIA guy I would not trust Biden to keep the mouth shut.

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Post by brmgb »

0xDEF wrote: post #851
brmgb wrote: post #846

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I'm French and I'm missing the Nord Stream pipelines. We need all the supply lanes we can get even if our neighbours are untrustworthy. Now we have to rely on the US and there is nothing worse than relying on the US. Europe just showed once again it failed to learn anything from the Suez crisis. The US should never be trusted. They are not a reliable and only care about themselves. Europe has been mismanaging its rel…

Europe couldn't even stop Little Russia (Serbia) from genociding Bonsian Muslims and Kosovo-Albanians until the US-led NATO intervention had to put a stop to it twice. Also Norway can replace a lot of the Russian gas supplies.

If your justification of NATO is their entirely illigetimate and overall worthless intervention in Kosovo, I don't think we will ever see eye to eye. The bombings were highly destructive and didn't solve anything. The war stopped when Russia urged Milošević to surrender after a lot of diplomatic negotiations.
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