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“How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by dgroshev »

The only factual bits in the post:

- Biden saying that NS2 will not go forward

- the pipeline is blown up

Did I miss anything? Because the rest is conjectures, one anonymous source, and references to historical events. I don't understand what does this add to the discourse.

Adding Hersh's name to the conspiracy theory (in a very literal sense) does not add any factual weight to it, it's still an unfounded conspiracy theory. It's (again, literally) an "ad hominem" argument, which is widely understood to be a fallacy.

Which also makes people linking stuff like https://www.vox.com/2015/5/11/8584473/seymour-hersh-osama-bi... wrong, because it's not about Hersh's integrity or lack thereof, the whole premise is wrong.

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Post by Analemma_ »

super256 wrote: post #232
twblalock wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not good enough. No level of reputation or historical track record should exempt anyone from the basic responsibility of providing evidence for claims they make.

> No level of reputation or historical track record should exempt anyone from the basic responsibility of providing evidence for claims they make. I'm not sure. Bloomberg and Reuters are two media outlets who regularly release information while only citing anonymous sources and not releasing any evidence. Just posting proofster.png [1] doesn't undo America's long history of doing weird stuff to achieve its goals. Thi…

> Bloomberg and Reuters are two media outlets who regularly release information while only citing anonymous sources and not releasing any evidence.

It's bad when they do it too. That's what Bloomberg did with their Supermicro Chinese chip story and it was a disaster (and one for which they still haven't apologized or really even acknowledged).

Huge allegations require evidence. Your name is not good enough, no matter what you've exposed in that past.

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by swader999 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #228
swader999 wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why even question Hersh on this when Biden publicly admitted they would put an end to it? https://youtu.be/OS4O8rGRLf8

Because "put an end to it" can easily (and more plausibly) encompass approaches like "sanction Nord Stream AG into the ground".

"There will no longer be a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by reducesuffering »

beebeepka wrote: post #129

None of this is proof, of course. But it logical. Who else would do it? And why? I think it's great the topic has been brought up again. This was a major event that somehow got swept away like nothing happened. The propaganda machine even tried to sell it as Russians blowing up their own pipe. Cause you know, at this point they could be blamed for the most ridiculous thing and it would still "track" because crazy. Wh…

> The propaganda machine even tried to sell it as Russians blowing up their own pipe.

Russia has absolutely blown up their own gas pipe before...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Russia%E2%80%93Georgia_...

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by pphysch »

ceejayoz wrote: post #214
pphysch wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go on. Link some examples.

https://www.vox.com/2015/5/11/8584473/seymour-hersh-osama-bi... > According to Hersh's story, Navy SEALs met no resistance at Abbottabad and were escorted by a Pakistani intelligence officer to bin Laden's bedroom, where they killed him. Bin Laden's body was "torn apart with rifle fire" and pieces of the corpse "tossed out over the Hindu Kush mountains" by Navy SEALs during the flight home (no reason is given for thi…

1. Not very interesting. Likely that Pakistan intelligence collaborated with USA. Not really important how bin Laden died or was buried.

2. Not at all implausible. Remember Stuxnet? Washington was evidently going to extreme lengths.

3. This one seems speculative but not implausible. Neoconservatism is closely linked with crazy religious beliefs.

4. It is established fact that the CIA flew Tibetan extremists to Colorado to train them in the 1950s. Nothing puzzling about this.

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Post by nawgz »

steponlego wrote: post #235
VincentEvans wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kremlin sanctioned themselves? Or are you presenting the suspension of gas supplies to Europe by Russia as a sort of “retaliatory sanctions”? That’s fine of course, it’s like North Korea cutting off themselves from the world and starving as a way to punish the world for interfering in its internal matters as they relate to nuclear weapons.

Deliberately misunderstanding what I said won't change my opinion or anybody else's.

Your comment seems to be deliberately misunderstanding who triggered the gas reduction, which is why others opinion of the comment is quite low

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by hef19898 »

kstenerud wrote: post #246
dang wrote: post #34

All: Whether he is right or not or one likes him or not, Hersh reporting on this counts as significant new information ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... ), so I've turned off the flags on this submission. If you're going to comment in this thread, please make sure you're up on the site guidlelines ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ) and note this one: " Comments should…

Just flagged this in the hopes that you'll reconsider. It's no secret that Hersh's work has become increasingly suspect in recent years. Every time he writes, he cites a single anonymous source and yet manages to go into an implausible level of detail and completeness with neatly tied up loose ends you'd only expect to find in a Tom Clancy novel. The only reason this story has been rescued from the dustbin is due to…

Yeah, instead of blog posts Hersh should write spy thrillers in tje tradition of the early Tom Clancy works. I would even pay for those, I like the setting and the narrative Hersh oresented in this blog, and the writing, are compelling and good. For a fictional book, not for journalism.

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Post by mrguyorama »

super256 wrote: post #232
twblalock wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not good enough. No level of reputation or historical track record should exempt anyone from the basic responsibility of providing evidence for claims they make.

> No level of reputation or historical track record should exempt anyone from the basic responsibility of providing evidence for claims they make. I'm not sure. Bloomberg and Reuters are two media outlets who regularly release information while only citing anonymous sources and not releasing any evidence. Just posting proofster.png [1] doesn't undo America's long history of doing weird stuff to achieve its goals. Thi…

>Bloomberg

And that worked great on that "all server motherboards are compromised" article right?

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by h2odragon »

threeseed wrote: post #245
dang wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's interesting. Hersh reporting on it is an interesting story in its own right. Is what he says true? I have no idea. We don't have a truth meter here.

> Because it's interesting No. It's interesting to you .

Interests me too. You're always free not to read this article or thread.
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