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“How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

Haunted_Cabbage wrote: post #143
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing that makes this distinct from much of said kindling is that it hasn't been reported on before. This isn't someone coming into an unrelated comment thread and commenting "9/11 was an inside job!" I would encourage any who disagree to consider truly why this reporting upsets them.

I get really upset when claims are made without evidence to support them. It might be a moral failing of mine, but for some reason I really loathe when assertions are made without evidence.

One thing to keep in mind is that counter assertions have been made without evidence.

> Asked for comment, Adrienne Watson, a White House spokesperson, said in an email, “This is false and complete fiction.” Tammy Thorp, a spokesperson for the Central Intelligence Agency, similarly wrote: “This claim is completely and utterly false.”

"This is ... complete fiction." is a claim that the story was fabricated. I think it's worth examining who would be doing that fabrication and what they would have to gain, especially considering who is making the counter-claim and what they would have to gain from that.

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by waiseristy »

LarryMullins wrote: post #136
hef19898 wrote: post #117

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Man, the aithor (no idea who that is...) should write a spy novel around this. As a fictional setting it would be great! As anything else, not so much. Heck, the Baltic states, along with Poland and the Scandinavian countries, have some of the best naval divers and EODs on the planet, virtue of having the priviledge of cleaning two world wars worth of mines, bombs and torpedoes from the Baltic sea... This piece shoul…

> Man, the author (no idea who that is...) Seymour Hersh, famous for his coverage of the My Lai massacre, Project Azorian, and more. You probably should know him.

Seymour Hersh, also a advocate of the Syrian rebel chemical weapon conspiracy and is a Osama Bin Laden death truther. Maybe we should also include his later work as well?

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by partiallypro »

pphysch wrote: post #120
zzleeper wrote: post #107

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And is the same guy who has been going into crazy conspiracy theories over the last ten years or so

Questioning the narratives around the ongoing Syrian Dirty War is not a "crazy conspiracy theory".

That's not the only crazy conspiracy theory he has claimed in the past 10-20 years.

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by r00fus »

andrejguran wrote: post #11

Can someone explain why would they blow up inoperational pipeline that Germany even said is not planning to operate in near future? And if they would have remote explosive wouldn't it make more sense to explode it in the moment of starting the pipeline to make it look more like an accident?

Allegedly a "burn the ships" [1] moment. The goal is to prevent any energy spent on even considering going back, the only way is forward.

If Germany has no Russian gas (it's not possible) they won't spend any time even broaching that possibility - the only way forward is to look for other sources (which happened concurrently with the opening of the Baltic pipeline - convenient).

[1] https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BurningTheShips

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by justsomehnguy »

The_Colonel wrote: post #54
sschueller wrote: post #36

Usually destroying 40% of a countries energy resource is considered an act of war but I guess if it's your ally that also spies on your top officials it's OK. /s

I wouldn't be surprised if Germany OKayed it (IF USA did it). Germany returning to Nord Stream would be a disaster for everybody (including Germany). Paradoxically, removing Nord Stream from the consideration helped Germany and its political situation. I always thought it's more likely that somebody from the West did it, since from my perspective it helped West and not Russia. But what's confusing me is the rather mu…

Because without an indisputable evidence it would only play for "RUSSIANS DID IT" narrative, "See! Because they say it was US means it was themselves!".

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by cactusplant7374 »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #137
cactusplant7374 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia has blown up their own pipelines at least twice before. Surely it's equally possible that Russia did it?

This is the second time in the comments here that I've seen this claim. I don't remember any such events, so could you point me to what you're referring to?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34712815

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by LarryMullins »

kibwen wrote: post #116
mc32 wrote: post #74

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If this turns out to be right --and we don't have conclusive evidence, but this would upset the current narrative. Why would Russia be an idiot to shoot itself in the foot (cui bono) and blow up their leverage; though in international affairs the unimaginable is possible, so yeah they may have done it to themselves -though to outsiders it would seem illogical If true though, it would be as big as the Gulf of Tonkin i…

The Gulf of Tonkin involved the US claiming that a US ship was fired upon as a pretense to declare war in retaliation. The idea here is that the US blew up a Russian pipeline in order to... what? Declare war on Russia in retaliation for Russia's own pipeline being destroyed? This makes no sense unless you're accusing Russia of blowing up the pipeline.

For completeness, the "Gulf of Tonkin" incident was two alleged incidents. One of them probably happened and the other almost certainly didn't (admitted by Robert McNamara years later.) The first incident, the one that probably happened, was insufficient casus belli for LBJ and then conveniently for the war hawks the second incident, which never actually happened, sealed the deal two days later.

McNamara's tacit admission: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HODxnUrFX6k

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Post by dang »

nerpderp82 wrote: post #53
itsyaboi wrote: post #16

> My Lai was first revealed to the American public on November 13, 1969—almost two years after the incident—when Hersh published a story through the Dispatch News Service. The article threatened to undermine the U.S. war effort and severely damage the Nixon presidency. Inside the White House, officials privately discussed how to contain the scandal. On November 21, National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger emphasized…

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Maybe so, but please don't take HN threads on generic flamewar tangents.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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