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“How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by sudosysgen »

partiallypro wrote: post #64
sudosysgen wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The journalist also broke the Abu Ghraib story less than 20 years ago.

No he didn't, the AP did based on a whistleblower (followed by a 60 Minutes report.) He may have reported on it, but he didn't break it. He did however make a claim not reported by the anyone else that the US soldiers raped children, which no one else ever reported, then offered no evidence of said claim.

Do you have a source for that? Here is DW claiming he was the first one who disclosed what went on in detail:

https://www.dw.com/en/problem-is-not-interrogation-its-war-i...

> US investigative journalist Seymour Hersh disclosed the torture scandal of Abu Ghraib 10 years ago.

> He was the first to describe in detail what was happening in Abu Ghraib, quoting from the Taguba Report, a secret, internal investigation by the US army about atrocities committed against the prisoners.

The article goes on to discuss how even though second hand accounts of abuses already existed, he was the first to get access to and disclose the report, giving a detailed first party account and giving proof of chain of command involvement for the first time.

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by jessaustin »

miguelazo wrote: post #81
r721 wrote: post #66

>The White House on Wednesday dismissed a blog post by a U.S. investigative journalist alleging the United States was behind explosions of the Nord Stream gas pipelines as "utterly false and complete fiction." >... >"This is utterly false and complete fiction," said Adrienne Watson, a spokesperson for the White House National Security Council. Spokespeople for the CIA and State Department said the same. https://www.r…

Was this included for comic relief? Or did you actually think we should take the CIA or State Department PR seriously?

It's a fair question, but those quotes are in TFA.

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by Haunted_Cabbage »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #126
davesque wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm honestly really shocked by your stance on this. Regardless of whether or not this information is credible, this seems like text book flame war kindling. In the past, I've thought HN's policy of "you can discuss things like this in other forums" was wise and I've been corrected by it myself many times. Why wouldn't that apply in this case?

One thing that makes this distinct from much of said kindling is that it hasn't been reported on before. This isn't someone coming into an unrelated comment thread and commenting "9/11 was an inside job!" I would encourage any who disagree to consider truly why this reporting upsets them.

I get really upset when claims are made without evidence to support them. It might be a moral failing of mine, but for some reason I really loathe when assertions are made without evidence.

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

twblalock wrote: post #80
dang wrote: post #34

All: Whether he is right or not or one likes him or not, Hersh reporting on this counts as significant new information ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... ), so I've turned off the flags on this submission. If you're going to comment in this thread, please make sure you're up on the site guidlelines ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ) and note this one: " Comments should…

If anyone else had written this, would it be significant? Wouldn't it just be written off as a conspiracy theory that provides little to no evidence for its claims? If the only thing that gets this on HN is Seymour Hersh's reputation (which has lately become somewhat questionable) then you might want to reconsider. Plus, the quality of the comments has not been very good so far.

I think it's worthwhile that a reputation is able to garner attention for someone, and it may be worth examining why his reputation is coming into question. If it has something to do with "he likes to tout conspiracy theories" I would start to wonder who would gain from this reporting being discredited in such a manner.

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by draw_down »

ben7799 wrote: post #96

This is not a new theory, non-US media laid out reasons why the US was a plausible culprit last year. Most of them also put out relatively balanced reasons why the US would not do it as well. Lots of logical reasons have been laid out why the Russians are suspects too.

No one is claiming it’s a new idea.

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by pasquinelli »

partiallypro wrote: post #118
pasquinelli wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it prevents the pipeline from being turned back on. what's the benefit to russia if russia did it?

I'm not making a claim that Russia did it, but they would have -more- to gain than the US would have to lose if the US were found to have actually done it...given it would upend and basically destroy NATO and completely isolate the US from its own allies. Hence the theory doesn't hold water.

NATO is america's show. america would never be shown to have done it-- even if they were, they wouldn't.

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by LarryMullins »

mmastrac wrote: post #97

It's a great story, but it's all unsourced and could be a decent Tom Clancy story at best. You could probably write a similar one with Russia or German agents as the key players and be just as convincing. The only anchor in reality appears to be Biden suggesting that they knew how to take it out which seems like a pretty weak place to build a large story. What I find particularly odd is that this entire thing appears…

It's not unsourced, the source is being kept private. That may not seem like a meaningful difference but there is a difference. And that difference is the reason Seymour Hersh's reputation is relevant.

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by kylehotchkiss »

keithwhor wrote: post #121

An unsubstantiated story that’s presented as if it’s fact doesn’t really belong on Hacker News. The fact the submission has to be edited to include a question mark when the source material does not is an implicit admission of such by the moderation team. Why it hasn’t been removed I have no idea.

It is written with the confidence that ChatGPT has when teaching me how to use a javascript library that does not actually exist

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by thwayunion »

mmastrac wrote: post #97

It's a great story, but it's all unsourced and could be a decent Tom Clancy story at best. You could probably write a similar one with Russia or German agents as the key players and be just as convincing. The only anchor in reality appears to be Biden suggesting that they knew how to take it out which seems like a pretty weak place to build a large story. What I find particularly odd is that this entire thing appears…

> The only anchor in reality appears to be Biden suggesting that they knew how to take it out which seems like a pretty weak place to build a large story.

I'd bet my last dollar that at least four nations had "blow up Nord Stream to force continued conflict" contingency plans.

Who did it? Germany, Russia, USA, Ukraine, or a curve ball from the one of the Nordic or Baltic states? We'll probably never know, and none of those answers would surprise me.

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