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“How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by swamp40 »

Khelavaster wrote: post #78
r721 wrote: post #66

>The White House on Wednesday dismissed a blog post by a U.S. investigative journalist alleging the United States was behind explosions of the Nord Stream gas pipelines as "utterly false and complete fiction." >... >"This is utterly false and complete fiction," said Adrienne Watson, a spokesperson for the White House National Security Council. Spokespeople for the CIA and State Department said the same. https://www.r…

This tone of denial makes them sound like they were caught red-handed.

Or else the reporter shifted the tone.

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by hackandthink »

I once read (Don DeLillo?):

The John F. Kennedy assassination could not have been a conspiracy, some conspirator would have spoken sooner or later (maybe on his/her death bed).

This is obviously not a lone perpetrator, so the truth will come out.

But it may take decades, e.g.:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by [deleted] »

gs17 wrote: post #83
steponlego wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is they lie all day, every day, even about trivial stuff that’s easily verified. This looks more like an admission of guilt.

Is there anything they could say or do, without providing undeniable evidence someone else did it that you would believe? If "we didn't do it" reads as "we did it", what do you expect them to do, not respond at all? That would be more suspicious to me.

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Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by macintux »

Apocryphon wrote: post #89
gs17 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there anything they could say or do, without providing undeniable evidence someone else did it that you would believe? If "we didn't do it" reads as "we did it", what do you expect them to do, not respond at all? That would be more suspicious to me.

Sounds like they should provide undeniable evidence then!

Even if they had it, they likely couldn’t share it for security reasons.

And of course, proving innocence is effectively impossible without proving someone else did it.

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by ben7799 »

This is not a new theory, non-US media laid out reasons why the US was a plausible culprit last year.

Most of them also put out relatively balanced reasons why the US would not do it as well.

Lots of logical reasons have been laid out why the Russians are suspects too.

Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by mmastrac »

It's a great story, but it's all unsourced and could be a decent Tom Clancy story at best. You could probably write a similar one with Russia or German agents as the key players and be just as convincing.

The only anchor in reality appears to be Biden suggesting that they knew how to take it out which seems like a pretty weak place to build a large story.

What I find particularly odd is that this entire thing appears to be based on a single, unnamed source "with direct knowledge of the operational planning".

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

dang wrote: post #29
LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #26

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Re: “How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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Post by Apocryphon »

eternalban wrote: post #28
jron wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a twitter account?

Why do you ask?

Okay, I'll bite. If he's a mouthpiece for the U.S. intelligence community, why is he implicating the U.S. in this? Does it discredit that narrative by making it ridiculous, thus aiding the CIA's position? What's going on?

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Post by arcticfox »

jessaustin wrote: post #63
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #40

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Where is the evidence ?

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I agree that it's not an extraordinary claim, given the few players with the capability and at least theoretical motives. But it's an extraordinarily detailed claim.

And it seems to hinge on a single source (is my understanding of journalism broken, aren't you supposed to have confirmation of sources?), who clearly has an agenda given this quote: "The only flaw was the decision to do it." So even if the broad strokes are true, seems weird to publish off of a single source to me.

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