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All that to create a privacy destroying, massively fraudulent ad tech moat. Yeah, admirable...
It could be worse (Oracle)
It's not because it could be worse that we should accept things as they stand.
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> Google is going to bleed credibility for every month that they don't have a lamda/llm enabled search integrated into the home page. I don't know that end-users really care about having a GPT-written paragraph accompanying their search results. Is there some other kind of output AI search currently provides that I'm missing?
A case I had right now. Just try to google this: When migrating from Swagger 2 ApiOperation annotation to OpenAPI 3.0 Operation by what attribute is nickname replaced? And then ask ChatGPT ... Google is done
What if I ask ChatGPT who the highest scoring NBA player is? Oops, failed.
How about I ask it how many games Jaime Benn has played? Or what the score of the last Dallas stars game was, or when the next one is?
What if I ask ChatGPT for a copy of the manual for a meater bluetooth meat thermometer? It literally just told me to Google it.
What if I ask which car manufacturers are joining Formula 1, and when they'll be starting?
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#233Why wouldn't Google be able to compete with their own version of ChatGPT ? I don't understand this underlying assumption behind all comments here
Chatbots don't monetize as well as the current search does. Much harder to get people to click on ads. Google worried that cannibalizing their search product will kill margins and profit.
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#234I hope Google is not pulling a Blackberry moment. I remember when the iPhone was first announced, BB scrambled to put out press releases saying they have competing products in development. 2 years later the Bold(EDIT: Storm) was released and everyone realized it's just a hastily designed iPhone clone. That marks the end of BB's dominance. >Used to work for BB/RIM
> 2 years later the Bold was released and everyone realized it's just a hastily designed iPhone clone. That marks the end of BB's dominance. I feel like Google is going to bleed credibility for every month that they don't have a lamda/llm enabled search integrated into the home page. You can talk all you want about the foundational models and how advanced they are, but the search product itself will require a ton of…
> I feel like Google is going to bleed credibility for every month that they don't have a lamda/llm enabled search integrated into the home page.
I feel like Google is going to bleed credibility for every month that their home page is lacking a system which almost by design is going to lie to me without me realizing at least as often as it might usefully summarize information from primary sources that I wanted to read myself.
OK, then.
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#235https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npV4Kix7Td0 If this was a startup, they would be dead in the water. Nothing of substance, awful sound, 9:45 mins in they don't have a key piece of live demo equipment (the phone)/ As someone else said, it's like they asked a couple of interns to rush something out in 24 hours. No wonder the stock price is tanking. Awful display from Google.
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#236> This suggests to me that Google is finally getting disrupted and are scrambling of desperation because of the release of ChatGPT. Even if Google is not getting disrupted, this suggested that Google is finally at the stage where its culture is hindering its progress and causing subpar performance. I hope I'm wrong, though. Google is such an admirable company. Its search engine has forever changed the world. The laun…
This is what happens to all companies. It's a natural progression. Some new companies will wow us in the way Google did in the mid-aught's.
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#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Google is going to bleed credibility for every month that they don't have a lamda/llm enabled search integrated into the home page. I don't know that end-users really care about having a GPT-written paragraph accompanying their search results. Is there some other kind of output AI search currently provides that I'm missing?
I don't know that end-users really care about having a GPT-written paragraph accompanying their search results. For 90% of my searches I don't want any search results. I want a definitive, authoritative answer to a question. In the olden days of the web I had to figure out what to search to give me a website that would give me that answer as the first result, and in the mid-90s that was really hard because search was…
> I want a definitive, authoritative answer to a question.
If you just want an answer that sounds definitive and authoritative then these chat bots are great. If you want it to be accurate as well... that's a different story.
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> Google is going to bleed credibility for every month that they don't have a lamda/llm enabled search integrated into the home page. I don't know that end-users really care about having a GPT-written paragraph accompanying their search results. Is there some other kind of output AI search currently provides that I'm missing?
I don't know that end-users really care about having a GPT-written paragraph accompanying their search results. For 90% of my searches I don't want any search results. I want a definitive, authoritative answer to a question. In the olden days of the web I had to figure out what to search to give me a website that would give me that answer as the first result, and in the mid-90s that was really hard because search was…
> I want a definitive, authoritative answer to a question
In the real world we don't have any agreed upon general notion of "definitive, authoritative" sources. A certain amount of skepticism is important to avoid all sorts of abuses of authority and "appeal to authority" is a recognized logical fallacy.
Be careful what you wish for. I'm pretty sure I don't want to live in a world where everyone behaves as if the response from a ML system is "definitive [and] authoritative".
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It could be worse (Oracle)
Or Apple, who shares more user data with the CCP than most American tech companies: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/technology/apple-china-ce... All FAANG are suspect these days
> Apple, who shares more user data with the CCP than most American tech companies
Whether intentionally or not, your comment is very misleading due to omitting the fact that it only applies to chinese customers of Apple in China (which the linked article mentions in the very beginning). Apple doesn't share user data of people outside of China with the CCP.
Also, this is literally a legal requirement to be able to operate there, it isn't like Apple just decided to do it on their own. And Apple's actions regarding this weren't really a secret either.
Disclaimer: not an Apple employee and have no connection to them outside of being a customer.
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#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Google is going to bleed credibility for every month that they don't have a lamda/llm enabled search integrated into the home page. I don't know that end-users really care about having a GPT-written paragraph accompanying their search results. Is there some other kind of output AI search currently provides that I'm missing?
A case I had right now. Just try to google this: When migrating from Swagger 2 ApiOperation annotation to OpenAPI 3.0 Operation by what attribute is nickname replaced? And then ask ChatGPT ... Google is done
and how did you verify that the ChatGPT answer was correct?