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Re: Google's live from Paris event private/deleted immediately

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Post by pkulak »

TrevorJ wrote: post #180
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I feel like Google is going to bleed credibility for every month that they don't have a lamda/llm enabled search integrated into the home page. You can talk all you want about the foundational models and how advanced they are, but the search product itself will require a ton of fine-tuning on real-world training data that they aren't collecting yet. I love ChatGPT as a source of inspiration, but I don't think I'd w…

Google already has an issue with accuracy - the snippets they choose are often not very correct.

Maybe, but you can at least see the context, where it came from, all that. In my house we have a habit of asking our Google Home "Hey, Google, can rabbits eat..." and then you can see where the info came from and make a pretty good decision on if this random vegetable you have will kill your pet. If AI chat stuff takes that over, I'm out.

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Post by mcast »

candyman wrote: post #136

I don't think Google Corporate had any idea this was going on and that way more people were interested in it than normal and many were reporters and investors. It had a feel like a local Google dev group meeting which is informal. I stopped using Google Search months ago because it was totally unusable. For some things it's still good and I use search within Google Maps often. I think this will make voice-based UI vi…

Prabhakar reports directly to the CEO of Alphabet (Sundar). This was not a local dev group event.

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Post by croes »

onion2k wrote: post #181
rchaud wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google is going to bleed credibility for every month that they don't have a lamda/llm enabled search integrated into the home page. I don't know that end-users really care about having a GPT-written paragraph accompanying their search results. Is there some other kind of output AI search currently provides that I'm missing?

I don't know that end-users really care about having a GPT-written paragraph accompanying their search results. For 90% of my searches I don't want any search results. I want a definitive, authoritative answer to a question. In the olden days of the web I had to figure out what to search to give me a website that would give me that answer as the first result, and in the mid-90s that was really hard because search was…

If ChatGPT gives all the answers, the website owner will block access.

They are already angry about Google doing something similar and ChatGPT is worse to them

Re: Google's live from Paris event private/deleted immediately

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Post by awa »

jaggs wrote: post #91

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npV4Kix7Td0 If this was a startup, they would be dead in the water. Nothing of substance, awful sound, 9:45 mins in they don't have a key piece of live demo equipment (the phone)/ As someone else said, it's like they asked a couple of interns to rush something out in 24 hours. No wonder the stock price is tanking. Awful display from Google.

I think the correct link is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLWXJ22LUEc (atleast the sound is better here)

Re: Google's live from Paris event private/deleted immediately

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Post by minsc_and_boo »

kossTKR wrote: post #202
hintymad wrote: post #187

> This suggests to me that Google is finally getting disrupted and are scrambling of desperation because of the release of ChatGPT. Even if Google is not getting disrupted, this suggested that Google is finally at the stage where its culture is hindering its progress and causing subpar performance. I hope I'm wrong, though. Google is such an admirable company. Its search engine has forever changed the world. The laun…

After wrestling with Google Ads for a year my admiration went to zero. Google is a mainly running a scam these days with completely blackboxed systems that absolutely fleece the little guy when not doing outright criminal auction price manipulation. I don't know why this hasn't gotten more media attention. Probably because of stockholm syndrome in the publishing sphere. Yes they pioneered amazing things but where the…

Advertising is like finance; there are entire teams of people whose full time jobs it is to make money using complex markets. SMBs are not going to be able to casually compete.

Also if it wasn't a black box, then scammers would be fleecing everyone.

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Post by minsc_and_boo »

pphysch wrote: post #206
fabrice_d wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All that to create a privacy destroying, massively fraudulent ad tech moat. Yeah, admirable...

It could be worse (Oracle)

Or Apple, who shares more user data with the CCP than most American tech companies: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/technology/apple-china-ce...

All FAANG are suspect these days

Re: Google's live from Paris event private/deleted immediately

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Post by cvhashim04 »

awa wrote: post #224
jaggs wrote: post #91

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npV4Kix7Td0 If this was a startup, they would be dead in the water. Nothing of substance, awful sound, 9:45 mins in they don't have a key piece of live demo equipment (the phone)/ As someone else said, it's like they asked a couple of interns to rush something out in 24 hours. No wonder the stock price is tanking. Awful display from Google.

I think the correct link is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLWXJ22LUEc (atleast the sound is better here)

Compared to Apple keynotes and the WWDC, this looks…amateurish. Like a startup pitching a new feature.

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Post by foogazi »

nunodonato wrote: post #3

I was watching... meh all the time and then suddenly it goes blank and disappears. Like, wtf Google. After yesterday's Microsoft presentation, this was such an underwhelming event. And it gets real tiring on how much Google tries to create an idea on how advanced their AI is.. (and it might be) but the fact is, nobody can access it or try it. So until we actually are able to put our hands on something, I'm calling va…

When did it go blank? I just watched and it arrived at an end point with the presenter signing off

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Post by qwytw »

onion2k wrote: post #181
rchaud wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google is going to bleed credibility for every month that they don't have a lamda/llm enabled search integrated into the home page. I don't know that end-users really care about having a GPT-written paragraph accompanying their search results. Is there some other kind of output AI search currently provides that I'm missing?

I don't know that end-users really care about having a GPT-written paragraph accompanying their search results. For 90% of my searches I don't want any search results. I want a definitive, authoritative answer to a question. In the olden days of the web I had to figure out what to search to give me a website that would give me that answer as the first result, and in the mid-90s that was really hard because search was…

> I want a definitive, authoritative answer to a question

You mean 90% (or X%) definitive answer with no good way to verify it due to zero context (unlike in normal websites)?

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