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Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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As a Turk, I do not trust people who are using Turkiye in English. That is virtue signaling which is saying they are populist, nationalist etc. etc. I also find the change idiotic at the least though I understand why they did it.

US State Dept has started using Türkiye for its communications...

Governments are different as they legally have to do it.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

#322

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How do you propose western countries and social media companies fight disinformation?

The solution to bad speech is more speech. Not less.

Cliches aren't an argument, but they're good for clicks. You can do better.

The solution is not as simple as 'more speech' because we are dealing with a historically unprecedented volume of amplified and recorded speech at scale, so things like signal:noise ratio become very important. Simplistic responses like yours suggest an unwillingness or inability to engage with the complexity of the issue.

A simple example of why you're wrong is that it's easy for an actor with access to an echo chamber to launch a viral cascade by modeling outrage over some made-up or minor issue to boost engagement. Fans of the actor share it out of agreement, amusement, or for the pleasure of owning their opponents, while opponents of the actor either deride or argue. The actor gets to appear in the day's trends, gain new followers/subscribers, boosting influence and financial intake.

But there's also a more subtle transfer of wealth, not so obviously measurable by the metrics of the social media platform. The actor spends 1-5 minutes composing their message, like you spend only a short period to select and repost your cliched response. The time that other people spend replying takes at least as long and often longer. So while the actor may have invested 5 minutes out of their 24 hour day in amplifying their own profile, by saying something deliberately controversial, they've caused others to put in significantly more time to responding.

Here, that's not such a big deal because HN discussions are not that complex and people have time to read and consider every comment in a thread they're interested in - so your claim has some validity. But on large social media platforms, the scope is radically different. A provocative tweet can generate thousands of negative replies, so that an investment of 5 minutes by the provocative actor can cause people to collectively put hundreds of hours into their responses, which unconscious social labor serves to amplify the provocateur. There are lots of influencers who have this down to a system and do it on an almost daily basis. It's essentially a theft of time - a little from their fans, a lot from their anti-fans, with that time being converted into engagement and increased reach.

This is why your reflex response is wrong. Bad speech can be designed to yield more speech that amplifies the original bad message for fun and profit. Your concept of reasoned debate only functions in forums where there are some leveling factors like equal time allocations or legal procedures for the allocation of time. Here on HN and on many small forums, that function is done by moderators (who can ban intentionally disruptive users or manage anti-spam filters) and to some extent by users (whose expressed preferences have direct weight like downvotes or flags, and indirect weight by their long-term community participation making them familiar to each other). On big platforms, the calculus is completely different and your model of reasoned debate breaks down.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

#323

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As a Turk, I do not trust people who are using Turkiye in English. That is virtue signaling which is saying they are populist, nationalist etc. etc. I also find the change idiotic at the least though I understand why they did it.

US State Dept has started using Türkiye for its communications...

Of course. The will (and should) use the name the country officially defines to be the correct one. Why would they refuse and cause a diplomatic fuss over such a trivial thing?

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

#324

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You are underestimating the threat that CCP China is, not just to Europe but to the entire world.

No, you are just susceptible to "threat inflation". It's a very profitable industry in Washington. One country misplaces a few weather balloons, another has hundreds of overseas military bases and bombs pipelines. Yet it's the former that is a "global threat", because the latter says so. Eye roll.

The former is also claiming that many territories it doesn’t hold are actually theirs and countries around the former are asking the latter to come help them defend in case of former’s attack.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

#325

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> The people who are recognisable on social media posts from the protests have all been arrested by now. They waited just long enough to make people forget about it before they picked them up one by one. Same deal as with that Bundy/Overpass standoff between militia types and the Feds a few years ago. The Feds showed up, saw the number of men with rifles, turned around and went home. Mission accomplished right? The m…

But charges against Bundy were dropped, weren’t they? And those arrests didn’t really amount to anything, did they? So yes, I’d say mission accomplished.

I haven't followed the Bundy affair closely and it does seem Clive Bundy himself ultimately got off, but I'm mostly talking about all the other guys who were on the overpass that day pointing rifles at federal agents. From what I've read and heard, they were all IDed and arrested afterwards. Wikipedia says that besides Clive, 18 others were indicted for federal felonies allegedly perpetrated that day.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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I'm very well aware of that. Whenever I've been on the receiving end of a name change like that, I (and everyone I knew) found it obnoxious. However, cultures differ. Turkey has a long history with name changes, and has been rather aggressive about them. When it became "Turkey," the post office wouldn't deliver mail unless the new name was used. Likewise, the capital has gone through two names since "Byzantium." I wa…

They got fed up with Google search returning stuff about birds.

Who is “they”?

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

#327

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I'm not into US politics so just a glance at Wikipedia. You compare anti-lock down protests with someone stealing land? Or was is it just comparing the way the police worked in general? I can't follow your argument.

> Or was is it just comparing the way the police worked in general? This one. When the local odds aren't in their favor, they go home and arrest people later at their leisure.

Assuming that these armed people actually broke the law, that’s the better move then. Otherwise there would be a huge outbreak of violence. But that’s not really comparable to lawful protests.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

#328

Just like in China with the anti-lockdown protests. The people who are recognisable on social media posts from the protests have all been arrested by now. They waited just long enough to make people forget about it before they picked them up one by one.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34708693.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

#330
Many hours after the quake hit, he came out of wherever he was, poured out all his hatred, threats, and then went right back in. He has the complete authority over everything in the country yet no accountability in anything ever. And his stares; effing evil!
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