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Re: Google's live from Paris event private/deleted immediately

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

jaggs wrote: post #91

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npV4Kix7Td0 If this was a startup, they would be dead in the water. Nothing of substance, awful sound, 9:45 mins in they don't have a key piece of live demo equipment (the phone)/ As someone else said, it's like they asked a couple of interns to rush something out in 24 hours. No wonder the stock price is tanking. Awful display from Google.

This whole display was just - weird. The production values make it seem like it was the equivalent of a local meetup group, not a worldwide presentation/announcement. But coming so soon after Google's big AI announcement on Monday, looks like the public/investors were assuming this would be a much bigger/more substantial event than it actually was.

That said, I still think this reflects very poorly on Google's organizational focus.

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Post by BasedInfra »

pphysch wrote: post #206
fabrice_d wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All that to create a privacy destroying, massively fraudulent ad tech moat. Yeah, admirable...

It could be worse (Oracle)

What’s the worst thing Oracle has done aside egregious enterprise pricing?

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Post by stingrae »

candyman wrote: post #136

I don't think Google Corporate had any idea this was going on and that way more people were interested in it than normal and many were reporters and investors. It had a feel like a local Google dev group meeting which is informal. I stopped using Google Search months ago because it was totally unusable. For some things it's still good and I use search within Google Maps often. I think this will make voice-based UI vi…

The main presenter is SVP of Search, Assistant, Geo, Ads, Commerce, and Payments. So I assume corporate was aware it was happening.

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Post by dmw_ng »

dmw_ng wrote: post #17
htrp wrote: post #12

Did anyone snag a copy of the event?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npV4Kix7Td0 Responses on Twitter are horrific: https://twitter.com/googleeurope/status/1623251768099409920 This is the first non-technical Google presentation I've felt compelled to archive I think folk are unestimating the scale of the change in medium that ChatGPT represents, it's not simply a problem of popping out a compelling clone for Google, they must also preserve or replace th…

Just to add the cost-per-query may not be a temporary blip. ChatGPT's cost per query is based on a static base model trained over a year ago. Imagine the energy and compute that might be required to add meaningful personalization or an up to date index, or if there were to be a repeat of something like the search engine document count wars of the late 90s/early 00s. Training ChatGPT is estimated to cost between $2-$12 million per run ( https://old.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/hwfjej/d_t... )

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Post by ridgered4 »

monknomo wrote: post #126
Karawebnetwork wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/ does it well in my opinion. It builds a paragraph answering your query but it has a lot of footnotes that link directly to websites. Ex: "geopolitical reason for palm oil being banned and why it's bad for health" The EU has banned palm oil in biofuels due to its negative impacts on health[1] and its geopolitical implications, such as favoring alternative crops grown in Europe[2].…

just wondering aloud, but say like this eats google's lunch and search goes away. These chatbots provide answers, and footnotes. In a world like this, where the need is reduced to actually go to a website, what's the incentive for maintaining a website that no one visits? After a couple rounds of "adversarial training data evolution," that is, people optimizing their websites to get mentions by chatbots, will the bot…

> In a world like this, where the need is reduced to actually go to a website, what's the incentive for maintaining a website that no one visits?

I guess to get the bots to tell your lies.

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Post by rchaud »

drakmo wrote: post #147
rchaud wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google is going to bleed credibility for every month that they don't have a lamda/llm enabled search integrated into the home page. I don't know that end-users really care about having a GPT-written paragraph accompanying their search results. Is there some other kind of output AI search currently provides that I'm missing?

A case I had right now. Just try to google this: When migrating from Swagger 2 ApiOperation annotation to OpenAPI 3.0 Operation by what attribute is nickname replaced? And then ask ChatGPT ... Google is done

OK, so GPT is good at parsing technical documentation.

What about the other 95% of search volume that isn't tech-related?

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Post by random314 »

hintymad wrote: post #194
hintymad wrote: post #187

> This suggests to me that Google is finally getting disrupted and are scrambling of desperation because of the release of ChatGPT. Even if Google is not getting disrupted, this suggested that Google is finally at the stage where its culture is hindering its progress and causing subpar performance. I hope I'm wrong, though. Google is such an admirable company. Its search engine has forever changed the world. The laun…

And with all the admiration to Google, I do hope Google could fix Google Docs. I miss Quip's amazing support of embedded spreadsheets and formulas, beautiful math equations, and rich-text in comments, and ability to link to any line or any spot on a diagram.

There is a latex-ish math plugin for Google docs

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Post by paulpan »

For what it's worth, Google should be taking a page out of Netflix's playbook in pivoting their search business: not by improving/adding LLM features to existing search algorithm and results, but instead fork into a new site and starting from scratch. Netflix had spun out their DVD mail-in business to focus on streaming but had maintained ownership of both.

This would allow them to innovate quickly on the new tech without worrying about the baggage and backend migrations required for the first approach. Otherwise it could slow things to a crawl and risk of being leapfrogged by Microsoft. We saw a similar scenario play out for YouTube Shorts - it took 2-3 years of beta testing to avoid disrupting the core YouTube content but that allowed TikTok to firmly entrench itself.

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Post by hintymad »

random314 wrote: post #217
hintymad wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And with all the admiration to Google, I do hope Google could fix Google Docs. I miss Quip's amazing support of embedded spreadsheets and formulas, beautiful math equations, and rich-text in comments, and ability to link to any line or any spot on a diagram.

There is a latex-ish math plugin for Google docs

Yeah, unfortunately not every company allows that plugin. And I wish Google Docs would adopt the editing style of Obsidian: when in focus, the formula is editing mode. Out of focus, the formula is rendered.

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Post by ProfessorLayton »

jaggs wrote: post #156
lm28469 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Damn that was painful to watch. They seem utterly disconnected from how people actually use their phones in real life. Finding elevators and atms with AR ? Is that the future google is selling ? Who's buying. If google maps was the equivalent of the invention the printing press that would be the invention of scented toilet paper

I've got to say it was one of the most painfully bad presentations I've ever seen, from any company or organization. Spectacular fail.

Yeah... For those who haven't seen it:

At one point they were unable to demo because there was no phone to demo on (~9:35).

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