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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

yodsanklai wrote: post #34
ttoinou wrote: post #27

Why wouldn't Google be able to compete with their own version of ChatGPT ? I don't understand this underlying assumption behind all comments here

Wishful thinking? I think it's quite hard to make any prediction, and people are very biased for "political" reasons. It's entertaining to read, but I wouldn't take too much values from these comments.

How is Google competing with ChatGPT different than Facebook competing with Snapchat stories?

Much of LLM research was pioneered at Google...

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

gumby wrote: post #39
guardiangod wrote: post #9

I hope Google is not pulling a Blackberry moment. I remember when the iPhone was first announced, BB scrambled to put out press releases saying they have competing products in development. 2 years later the Bold(EDIT: Storm) was released and everyone realized it's just a hastily designed iPhone clone. That marks the end of BB's dominance. >Used to work for BB/RIM

> I hope Google is not pulling a Blackberry moment. Why? (Genuine question). Google is just some corporation, and one that’s been drifting for the last 15 years or more (since Schmidt left). They are not even a good actor, yet (and I don’t blame them for this) have sucked a lot of air out of the ecosystem. Creative destruction is one of the key values (-> leads to benefits) of capitalism, and with US & EU antitrust a…

> Why? (Genuine question).

Because in an ideal situation (as indicated with your last sentence) you'd have a bunch of active competitors yielding up better and better products. Not one active competitor with the singular new thing and a couple of reactive competitors that can't get things right.

Search is also supporting a lot of relatively free innovation at Alphabet. If ChatGPT sinks that innovation (or at least makes it non-free) the loss may be more than the gain.

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Post by guardiangod »

malexw wrote: post #86
guardiangod wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah you are right. It's the Storm with the clicky screen. Fun trivia- Most of the BB employees in my department switched from Storm to Bold when the Bold was released. As a result I had a pile of Storm in my drawer as my test devices.

I'm not sure if you're mis-remembering or I am, but the Bold 9000 (meteor) launched the year before the Storm. Though maybe you meant the 9700 (onyx)? As I recall, the development cycle for Storm wasn't two years - it was less than a year. At that point it was the fastest cycle that RIM had ever had for a device, and it was done at the request of Verizon. Back then the iPhone was still an AT&T exclusive in the US mar…

Yes by 'Bold' I mean Onyx.

As you said, the Storm was developed in a year so some corners (especially the OS side) were cut. The Onyx was 'properly' engineered so (internally) everything was better and easier to deal with.

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Post by cuttysnark »

Swizec wrote: post #85
rchaud wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google is going to bleed credibility for every month that they don't have a lamda/llm enabled search integrated into the home page. I don't know that end-users really care about having a GPT-written paragraph accompanying their search results. Is there some other kind of output AI search currently provides that I'm missing?

Here is a practical example of a problem I couldn’t solve with Google, but could in 5 seconds with GPT. We use deities to name our sprints at work. When you search Google for “Deity starting with ”, you get a list of greek and roman gods. I got tired of that. So I asked GPT “what is a god that starts with and isn’t roman or greek”. It immediately spat out a Norse god. Next time it was Hindu. The increased variety was…

I had to work with a list of the 50 states abbreviations, full names, etc. Previously, I'd have found the data somewhere with Google et al and then manipulated it myself into the JSON I needed. But this time I asked GPT to not only source the data, but also return it structured to my liking—with revisions ("please include Guam and Puetro Rico")

Lots of my searches are simply I want an answer, but often times I also want to then do something with the result. This is where ChatGPT is going to eat Google's lunch, IMO.

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Post by UncleMeat »

Karawebnetwork wrote: post #71
afavour wrote: post #13

ChatGPT as a search engine sounds amazing but also really quite problematic. It's an extension of the issue with Google's "instant answers" (or whatever they're called): right now the creators of the content Google/ChatGPT scrapes are usually paid via the advertisements on their pages. When no-one clicks though any more, no-one gets paid. I know, I know, the ad banner-funded web is a mess and I wouldn't mourn its dem…

Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/ does it well in my opinion. It builds a paragraph answering your query but it has a lot of footnotes that link directly to websites. Ex: "geopolitical reason for palm oil being banned and why it's bad for health" The EU has banned palm oil in biofuels due to its negative impacts on health[1] and its geopolitical implications, such as favoring alternative crops grown in Europe[2].…

A link is useless if you can't verify it. Just linking to the "nih.gov" homepage is meaningless, I have no ability to click through and verify that "ah yes, this page does demonstrate the claim being made." The system could just link to arbitrary homepages of respected institutions and claim that they back up whatever is being said.

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Post by m3kw9 »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #88
m3kw9 wrote: post #22

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Google has the resources to do almost anything, well, the financial resources to do so. Time will tell if they have the intellectual and managerial resources to find a path out of the hole they've put themselves in.

It just seem like they are in a bit of a panic. Microsoft partnering and releasing a search product so fast caught them sleeping a bit. MS did a master stroke in prioritizing the release and they know google was gonna get caught if they can pull it

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Post by fblp »

Karawebnetwork wrote: post #71
afavour wrote: post #13

ChatGPT as a search engine sounds amazing but also really quite problematic. It's an extension of the issue with Google's "instant answers" (or whatever they're called): right now the creators of the content Google/ChatGPT scrapes are usually paid via the advertisements on their pages. When no-one clicks though any more, no-one gets paid. I know, I know, the ad banner-funded web is a mess and I wouldn't mourn its dem…

Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/ does it well in my opinion. It builds a paragraph answering your query but it has a lot of footnotes that link directly to websites. Ex: "geopolitical reason for palm oil being banned and why it's bad for health" The EU has banned palm oil in biofuels due to its negative impacts on health[1] and its geopolitical implications, such as favoring alternative crops grown in Europe[2].…

Great share thank you. And i hope this becomes mainstream. The citations provide a hierarchy of authenticity to the web.

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Post by guardiangod »

gumby wrote: post #39
guardiangod wrote: post #9

I hope Google is not pulling a Blackberry moment. I remember when the iPhone was first announced, BB scrambled to put out press releases saying they have competing products in development. 2 years later the Bold(EDIT: Storm) was released and everyone realized it's just a hastily designed iPhone clone. That marks the end of BB's dominance. >Used to work for BB/RIM

> I hope Google is not pulling a Blackberry moment. Why? (Genuine question). Google is just some corporation, and one that’s been drifting for the last 15 years or more (since Schmidt left). They are not even a good actor, yet (and I don’t blame them for this) have sucked a lot of air out of the ecosystem. Creative destruction is one of the key values (-> leads to benefits) of capitalism, and with US & EU antitrust a…

>Why? (Genuine question).

Because I was there to witness the disintegration of a company and the losses it created? Instead of layoffs, you have entire departments/factory shuttering.

When Nortel shut down, many engineers interviewed for BB (same province). I still remember how they looked when we told them we won't proceed with the hiring.

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Post by 908B64B197 »

guardiangod wrote: post #9

I hope Google is not pulling a Blackberry moment. I remember when the iPhone was first announced, BB scrambled to put out press releases saying they have competing products in development. 2 years later the Bold(EDIT: Storm) was released and everyone realized it's just a hastily designed iPhone clone. That marks the end of BB's dominance. >Used to work for BB/RIM

I remember the Storm. They released it one month or so before or after Apple released the iPhone 3G (and the App Store).

I remember thinking it was a prototype when someone showed a Storm to me. Scrolling was janky, the whole phone was sluggish and slow and the keyboard barely worked. Blackberry couldn't even figure out how to get Wifi on the thing, so it was stuck using cellular while my iPhone was just streaming video. And of course, no apps. It was 2 years behind the original iPhone and shipped two years later.

>Used to work for BB/RIM

I wonder why RIM couldn't compete at the time. Talent gap?

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