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Post by quercusa »

blihp wrote: post #25
HaZeust wrote: post #5

Wow, they really are in disarray. Maybe the (ex-)Googlers in recent AI HackerNews articles are wrong in proclaiming that Google will come on top of the AI wars, due to their immense contributions to its lead-up. I look forward to see what new Bing amounts to the industry, as well as Microsoft’s partnership with OpenAI for Bing, Azure, and whatever else is planned. This is an exciting tectonic shift.

It's a similar reaction that Intel supporters had when it was clear AMD had become a credible threat. There were claims that Intel had 1-2 unreleased CPU architectures just ready to drop at a moments notice to counter anything AMD came out with... we've seen how that played out. Google has been distracted milking their cash cow, just as Intel was, while the competition caught up. The main difference is that Google do…

And once again, those who did not learn the lessons from Christensen's The Innovator's Dilemma will add their names to the list of formerly-dominant companies.

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Post by lolinder »

jeppester wrote: post #76

The reaction to this compared to the MS presentation yesterday really shows the difference a good presentation can make. It will be interesting how well the products work when we get to use them for real.

One key advantage Microsoft has is they get to say "we're going to incorporate that fun new tool/toy you've been playing with for a couple months now". We already have a pretty good idea of what to expect.

Google is left saying "we have one too, and ours is even cooler", which in the absence of a viable demo isn't very compelling.

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Post by bcrosby95 »

ttoinou wrote: post #27

Why wouldn't Google be able to compete with their own version of ChatGPT ? I don't understand this underlying assumption behind all comments here

They could. But this isn't something that just happens overnight. The hasty, public responses by Google point towards them being caught with their pants down. If they did have something close in the pipeline, silence would be more likely.

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Post by Adrig »

jpalomaki wrote: post #65

I think the bigger problem is how does something like ChatGPT fit into Google's business model for search. Conversational interface and/or giving immediate answers may not be the best option in terms of ad revenue. Users re-iterating their search queries gives more opportunities to show ads. When users are scanning the page for best results, they might be more likely to click on the ads with clever wording.

I agree with you, but Google is also a leading player in the conversational interface ("Ok Google")and in business software. Two areas where language models could have a huge impact.

Is Google deliberately slowing down any major improvements in these areas because they are petrified about the idea of losing revenue in their ad business?

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Post by Swizec »

rchaud wrote: post #75
htrp wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 2 years later the Bold was released and everyone realized it's just a hastily designed iPhone clone. That marks the end of BB's dominance. I feel like Google is going to bleed credibility for every month that they don't have a lamda/llm enabled search integrated into the home page. You can talk all you want about the foundational models and how advanced they are, but the search product itself will require a ton of…

> Google is going to bleed credibility for every month that they don't have a lamda/llm enabled search integrated into the home page. I don't know that end-users really care about having a GPT-written paragraph accompanying their search results. Is there some other kind of output AI search currently provides that I'm missing?

Here is a practical example of a problem I couldn’t solve with Google, but could in 5 seconds with GPT.

We use deities to name our sprints at work. When you search Google for “Deity starting with ”, you get a list of greek and roman gods. I got tired of that.

So I asked GPT “what is a god that starts with and isn’t roman or greek”. It immediately spat out a Norse god. Next time it was Hindu. The increased variety was refreshing as hell. Google was not able to process a negative query.

Plus the added paragraph of description about that deity was lovely.

The point is: Sometimes (often) I don’t want search, I just want a good enough answer.

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Post by malexw »

guardiangod wrote: post #58
Graziano_M wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't you mean the Storm? The Bold was pretty solid, and the original didn't have a touch screen. It was the storm that had a crappy touchscreen that physically moved to touch, and it sucked.

Yeah you are right. It's the Storm with the clicky screen. Fun trivia- Most of the BB employees in my department switched from Storm to Bold when the Bold was released. As a result I had a pile of Storm in my drawer as my test devices.

I'm not sure if you're mis-remembering or I am, but the Bold 9000 (meteor) launched the year before the Storm. Though maybe you meant the 9700 (onyx)?

As I recall, the development cycle for Storm wasn't two years - it was less than a year. At that point it was the fastest cycle that RIM had ever had for a device, and it was done at the request of Verizon. Back then the iPhone was still an AT&T exclusive in the US market and Verizon demanded something from RIM so that they could compete with it.

I'll echo the fact that nobody I knew internally seemed interested in using Storm as a primary device. I think everyone knew it was junk. But Storm 2 went a long way towards a device that I would actually be interested in using.

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Post by rchaud »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #43
afavour wrote: post #13

ChatGPT as a search engine sounds amazing but also really quite problematic. It's an extension of the issue with Google's "instant answers" (or whatever they're called): right now the creators of the content Google/ChatGPT scrapes are usually paid via the advertisements on their pages. When no-one clicks though any more, no-one gets paid. I know, I know, the ad banner-funded web is a mess and I wouldn't mourn its dem…

Nadella was asked about this. He basically said that they have a responsibility to drive users to sites with click through or else sites won't have an incentive to be crawled. How that pans out in practice remains to be seen.

> He basically said that they have a responsibility to drive users to sites with click through or else sites won't have an incentive to be crawled.

This is partially a BS answer. As long as websites are running Google Ads, they will have an incentive to be crawled. Fewer clicks > no clicks (which is what would happen if the site was set to 'noindex'.

Google also pays news publishers to license their content; $1bn alone just for Google News Showcase [0]

[0] https://blog.google/supportingnews/#overview

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

m3kw9 wrote: post #22

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Google has the resources to do almost anything, well, the financial resources to do so. Time will tell if they have the intellectual and managerial resources to find a path out of the hole they've put themselves in.
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