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Silly question, but: Why are people flagging this? It's not off topic for this site. It raises some interesting (if clearly debatable) points. I totally get disagreeing with it. But pushing to delist it? Why?
Silly question, but: Why are people flagging this? It's not off topic for this site. It raises some interesting (if clearly debatable) points. I totally get disagreeing with it. But pushing to delist it? Why?
It's not debatable, it's risable.
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And I think you don't have the slightest idea what the commenter you're pretending to reply to, is actually talking about.
pretty sure I am fully informed...
> "the rhetoric on the Kiwifarms site and specific, targeted threats have escalated over the last 48 hours to the point that we believe there is an unprecedented emergency and immediate threat to human life unlike we have previously seen from Kiwifarms or any other customer before."
> "Revolting content alone does not create an emergency situation that necessitates the action we are taking today."
> "While we believe that in every other situation we have faced — including the Daily Stormer and 8chan — it would have been appropriate as an infrastructure provider for us to wait for legal process, in this case the imminent and emergency threat to human life which continues to escalate causes us to take this action."
Silly question, but: Why are people flagging this? It's not off topic for this site. It raises some interesting (if clearly debatable) points. I totally get disagreeing with it. But pushing to delist it? Why?
It's a series of bad takes strung together into this flimsy idea that a [relatively tiny] service provider has the power to push anything on anyone. That is not to say that a post like this might not be possible, but this series of stub points is so poorly developed, and so full of unsourced nonsense, even defending its presence on HN feels like trying to take the chap shouting at pigeons at the park seriously. It's…
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pretty sure I am fully informed...
https://blog.cloudflare.com/kiwifarms-blocked/ > "the rhetoric on the Kiwifarms site and specific, targeted threats have escalated over the last 48 hours to the point that we believe there is an unprecedented emergency and immediate threat to human life unlike we have previously seen from Kiwifarms or any other customer before." > "Revolting content alone does not create an emergency situation that necessitates the a…
https://corinnacohn.substack.com/p/the-world-should-not-need...
https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/why-keffals-really-took...
https://wahf.substack.com/p/the-kiwi-in-the-coalmine-part-i
https://destinygg.substack.com/p/keffals-a-case-study-on-int...
Just a start, and with out getting to all the later issue around the GoFundMe, and several other things...
I am fully informed on the issue, and how CloudFlare caved to social pressure and refused to stand on principle, there was no "emergency situation"
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Was it... I think you may want to research those events more
This type of response has no value and should not be posted, here. If you wanted to _provide_ links to said information and be helpful or provide a factual counter-argument, that would be wonderful. It not only benefits the person you're replying to, but also the rest of the HN community. Otherwise, this type of response simply raises red flags of evasion and lack of knowledge.
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I personally don't trust any of my businesses to run on it after this, and have been advising business partners and people I advise to steer clear of it. I know it's not much, but it's been mid to high 6 figures in revenue i've had shifted elsewhere. Having a business possibly be crippled won't pass any sort of risk management, and clearly shows they don't rank highly on any sort of organizational maturity scale.
Maybe you should instead advise your business partners not to host content that threatens the lives of specific individuals based solely on their identity group? Including coordinate doxxing, harassment, swatting, and threats of violence? It's nice that you have the option to take such a professional attitude that can advise companies in the abstract based on free speech absolutionism, but the details really matter.…
Come On now. Neither Canada, nor Europe have free speech, while they may not be to 1984 authoritarianism yet, they are well well down that path.
Non-JS Version [1] [1] - https://archive.ph/uRz2v
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It's hilarious as some time ago they vomited this blogpost https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-cryptographic-attest... > "Humanity wastes about 500 years per day on CAPTCHAs. It’s time to end this madness" Yeah no shit Cloudflare, YOU'RE THE REASON FOR IT. And the solution is "use hardware keys and track everyone"
> Yeah no shit Cloudflare, YOU'RE THE REASON FOR IT. Cloudflare is not the reason for it - ridiculous amounts of bot traffic is. Bot traffic that is either malicious, resource consuming, or actively trying to bring your website down. CAPTCHAs are just the best tool we have to block them, and I don't believe it is completely fair to have website operators just put up with it for the sake of the users - it's a team eff…
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It's a series of bad takes strung together into this flimsy idea that a [relatively tiny] service provider has the power to push anything on anyone. That is not to say that a post like this might not be possible, but this series of stub points is so poorly developed, and so full of unsourced nonsense, even defending its presence on HN feels like trying to take the chap shouting at pigeons at the park seriously. It's…
You could level the same arguments against half the hot take blog posts that end up on the HN front page. I fail to see why this particular post raises so much ire that it warrants flagging, save that it's going after a sacred cow.
This writer does a terrible job of advancing their argument. None of the points are developed or supported. There's no evidence provided, just a litany of bald assertions. It also seems to fundamentally misunderstand details of how CDNs work in its rush to attack Cloudflare for being a CDN.