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Cloudflare is destroying the open internet

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Re: Cloudflare is destroying the open internet

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Post by sybercecurity »

jefftk wrote: post #23

> Monopolistic Control of the CDN Market: Another issue is the monopolistic control that Cloudflare has over the CDN market. As one of the largest CDN providers... This is a silly piece, but the claim that Cloudflare is so big that they can push sites around doesn't make sense. Not everyone has released 2022 revenue yet, but in 2021 Akamai took in $3.5B to Cloudflare's $0.66B, Fastly's $0.35B, and Edgecast's $0.29B.…

They used to write the same stories about Akamai, Microsoft, Google, etc. when they first got big. It's just Cloudflare's turn in the box.

Re: Cloudflare is destroying the open internet

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Post by flangola7 »

huslage wrote: post #20

Cloudflare is _far_ from a monopoly. Akamai and Microsoft still hold huge leads in a lot of spaces.

Anti trust rules do not only address singular literal monopolies. Oligopolies can also have malign influence. Many of the forced breakups of the 20th century were companies very far being total monopolies.

Re: Cloudflare is destroying the open internet

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Post by laughinghan »

vmoore wrote: post #4

> In an era where the internet is becoming increasingly important, it's crucial that governments ensure that companies like Cloudflare are not able to use their power to limit access to information or censor speech Cloudflare should be seen as an ISP. An ISP is neutral and doesn't care about what content flows through its network. My only gripe is Cloudflare has to /store/ content on its servers, so it's not really a…

I strongly disagree with the analogy between CDNs and ISPs. ISPs operate on the user-side, they have no business filtering what the user sees. CDNs operate on the server-side, they have the power and responsibility to decide who they want to do business with, and to not provide services to harmful customers—I'm sure we agree ISPs shouldn't provide services to harmful customers either (spam, malware, phishing, etc).

Re: Cloudflare is destroying the open internet

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Post by Rimintil »

phpisthebest wrote: post #22
deanCommie wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Upset over serious, credible, actionable, threats of violence against other people hosted on those sites.

Was it... I think you may want to research those events more

This type of response has no value and should not be posted, here.

If you wanted to _provide_ links to said information and be helpful or provide a factual counter-argument, that would be wonderful. It not only benefits the person you're replying to, but also the rest of the HN community.

Otherwise, this type of response simply raises red flags of evasion and lack of knowledge.

Re: Cloudflare is destroying the open internet

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Post by foverzar »

The real problem with cloudflare is the fact that it is the single centralized TLS terminator. Not for a second will I believe that there is no eavesdropping - the temptation is just too high.

IMO, the real threat to open internet is our current established certificate management system, but that's a totally different topic.

Re: Cloudflare is destroying the open internet

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Post by foverzar »

tannhaeuser wrote: post #28

The main point of criticism towards Cloudflare is that they both sell services for DDoS protection and services for anonymization and hiding IPs used by DoS attackers at the same time. As such, they have no incentive to improve the situation for users. Nor to work towards IETF or other control plane standards for DoS protection/mitigation. It has been like that on the web for far too long, also with certain other pla…

> and services for anonymization and hiding IPs used by DoS attackers at the same time

What service are you implying specifically?

Re: Cloudflare is destroying the open internet

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Post by laughinghan »

maldev wrote: post #24
convery wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cloudflare has pushed against public sentiment [..] to restrict censorship. Except when they booted sites off their network because Twitter users were upset..

I personally don't trust any of my businesses to run on it after this, and have been advising business partners and people I advise to steer clear of it. I know it's not much, but it's been mid to high 6 figures in revenue i've had shifted elsewhere. Having a business possibly be crippled won't pass any sort of risk management, and clearly shows they don't rank highly on any sort of organizational maturity scale.

If learning that Cloudflare took action against literal, self-identified Nazis—who praise Hitler, deny the Holocaust, and drove a car into a crowd and killed a woman—made you worried that Cloudflare might take action against you, you're really telling on yourself.
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