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An Introduction to Class Warfare for the Software Engineer

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Re: An Introduction to Class Warfare for the Software Engineer

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Offshoring and H1-Bs have definitely kept programmer wages lower than they would have been otherwise.

I make better than 3x times my wife’s teacher salary. If I really pushed hard career wise I could probably get to 6x.

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What if you get a pay bump for no increase in hours? Is that free money?

you have an answer in marx's capital: all surplus is wage theft because the capitalist, who does nothing, gets money from those who do the work. so any more money you get is not free, it's just a slight reduction in the money which is getting stolen from you.

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At least in Finland, home ownership seems to be common among the people in their 30s and 40s I know, regardless of what they studied or didn't. The most common reasons for renting appear to be being single and relocating often for work. Typical mortgage duration is 20-25 years, which means that if you are in your 30s or 40s, you are probably about halfway through. At least if you didn't switch to a bigger home recent…

> At least in Finland, home ownership seems to be common among the people in their 30s and 40s I know, regardless of what they studied or didn't. You cannot call it home ownership, when these people are in decades of debt for their houses. 20-25 years is what I'd consider lifelong debt, if you enter it in your 20s. And for many it makes financial sense to go into that lifelong debt. When the parents croak about when…

That's just the choices people make.

I saw an interesting factoid some time ago. In the early 20th century, it was considered enough to have 7 m2 of living space for an adult and half of that for a child. If people still considered that enough, they could buy homes and be debt free before 30. But because people can reasonably expect to afford more, they take loans against future earnings to buy bigger and better homes. Meanwhile, students live alone in apartments that once housed families.

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> Communism killed more than a hundred million people in the 20th century. I would hope we have figured out by now that communism doesn't work. So did Capitalism [0]. Now what? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Livre_noir_du_capitalisme

Communism and capitalism are allies, and frankly two sides of the same coin. Marx repeatedly makes it clear in his communistic manifesto, that a society first needs to become capitalist in order to break down traditions and family, before it is ready for a communist revolution. He states that communists should side with capitalists against traditional society, and then get rid off the capitalists after that. Smart ca…

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Re: An Introduction to Class Warfare for the Software Engineer

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> Especially if the company you’re working for is not actually struggling economically right now. If you work for Google, say, you must be thinking, “What is it about the coming recession that makes a company that’s doing just fine institute broad layoffs for the first time in its 23-year history?” People commenting about the layoffs keep citing the financial health of the companies that are doing the layoffs as evid…

> the labor they are buying is more expensive than the profits from the products they were planning to build with those employees Thats it. Thats where the Marxism enters. Most of these companies (or the bigger ones) aren't losing money with these new products, they were just losing profit margin because its profitable but not as profitable . They chose to have fatter profits over your employment and wellbeing. WRT y…

> Most of these companies (or the bigger ones) aren't losing money with these new products, they were just losing profit margin because its profitable but not as profitable.

Maybe, if you consider the company as a whole. If you consider the product line, no, because the product line isn't earning revenue yet. It's a bet on the future.

Re: An Introduction to Class Warfare for the Software Engineer

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So if we disagree with you, we're a "pleb". Nice. Personal attacks are against the site rules, by the way.

You absolutely have not understood the comment that you replied to.

You know, if you actually think that, instead of are just using it as a cheap rhetorical trick, you might supply some explanation of the comment I was replying to...

Re: An Introduction to Class Warfare for the Software Engineer

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The problem with this article is that one does not need capital to start a tech company. This very website, sneered at in the article, is littered with examples of people who have built something at the side. I'm not sure knowledge workers can make the same complaints about class struggle that mechanical labourers can. We tend to get more valuable with age and experience.

The only difference is our capital is digital, not physical. Binaries, not machines. As such we can build it without expensive raw materials and components, as those which form an assembly robot for example. Once one owns those binaries and other non-physical capital, one takes on the economic interests and incentives of that capitalist class, including the reduction of labor costs.

And yet, huge tracts of code are released under MIT licence.

Re: An Introduction to Class Warfare for the Software Engineer

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Hacker News is so full of corporate shills it is laughable. The guy is making a point here. Do not add to your employer's assets unless you are expressly instructed to. Quite simply, don't write any software to improve your employer's operations unless you are instructed by your boss to do so. Don't use your own initiative to do something unless it is acknowledged and approved by your superiors. Factory workers don't…

> Quite simply, don't write any software to improve your employer's operations unless you are instructed by your boss to do so. Don't use your own initiative to do something unless it is acknowledged and approved by your superiors.

Heh, are there actual companies where this is possible? If I went off coding random pet projects to "improve operations" I'd get in trouble real quick. Unless it's discussed and prioritized from higher up it's hard to make time to work on substantial projects. Maybe I should be looking for a new opportunity eh!

Re: An Introduction to Class Warfare for the Software Engineer

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> Process improvement: Is this your job? Then no. This remark from TFA at least implies when it "is" part of your job, go for it. Perhaps you have rejected, or simply not engaged with, the "call" to recognize class warfare, however, or if I can be silly I'll call you a "capital sympathizer". From the frame of recognizing workers vs capitalists, you can't just say write off being exploited as "well you were paid to be…

Is TFA the new way of writing "the article"?

New? 20 years ago, maybe.
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