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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by obert »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #388
davesque wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. If Microsoft somehow overtakes Google from the back with Bing and ChatGPT, it'll be the tech coup of the century. And it's so fascinating how Google's position as an AI think tank put them at a tremendous disadvantage. They didn't cut a deal with OpenAI because why should they? After all, they originated much of the research that led to GPT3. But then they didn't really do anything with it at all because they di…

> they didn't really do anything with it at all because they didn't have to. They didn't do anything with it because chatbots are unequivocally a worse business model than the current search paradigm. They cost exponentially more to run and are much harder to organically advertise with without scaring away users by making the chat responses themselves ads. If the future of search is chatbots Google is facing existent…

The writing was on the wall: when looking for info we don’t interact with people continuously distracted by ads. We ask, focus on the answer, act. Google business model is shortsighted when looking at tech in terms of decades of humans modeling tech after themselves

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by jacooper »

generalizations wrote: post #172
outcoldman wrote: post #15

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Edge is available on macOS, Linux, iOS and Android.

Unless they use this as a way to pull people back into the Microsoft ecosystem.

I don't think they are that dumb, and really Windows doesn't seem to be a big part of Microsoft's masterplan anymore, at least not in Ai.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by cabaalis »

veb wrote: post #345
dang wrote: post #276

Are people here actually trying this out or is it vaporware as of yet? I ask because this seems ambiguous: The new Bing is live today “for desktop limited preview,” but it appears users are only able to “ask” one of a number of preset queries and receive the same results each time. There is also a waitlist to sign up for full access in the future. If it's just an announcement of an announcement*, we should downweight…

Get this, if you use Edge, with bing as search by default and join the waitlist, then another button appears "get access faster" or something, which then takes you to a page to make sure you've defaulted everything to Microsoft, and you've scanned a QR code to download a Bing mobile app. I can't be bothered _all_ of that. Mainly the addition of a new mobile app.

Honestly, the "if you use edge" piece is what is disappointing to me. Did they also have to make a browser play with this stuff? I prefer Firefox.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by fswd »

zone411 wrote: post #159
epups wrote: post #80

This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?

Google definitely made a strategic mistake by being slow to react and only taking action late. But Bing only has a limited period of time before Google catches up, and it doesn't seem like it will be enough to take away significant marketshare.

It's even worse than this. Google's entire business was based on the browser search model. You want to know something, you opened your browser, then 100% of the time went to "google.com", searched, scroll,scroll,scroll,click and get a reward with your answer while seeing ads. Which pretty much describes a dopamine feedback loop.

The problem isn't that they don't have a ChatGPT ready (they do -- and it's probably better, I'm certain) .. but rather that, by even doing so (providing a chatgpt based search) they undermine their entire business foundation. Because now if you want to know something, you simply chat, and instantly presents a dialog with your answer. And with seemingly unlimited capabilities to write follow-up questions just like you would to a normal person.

How are you going to sell ads to that? Imagine talking to a chat bot that tries to sell you a new refrigerator when you're asking about something else, awkward? That's not going to happen.

That's why it's worse than a strategic mistake, it's an extensional threat-- they are damned to undermine the entire foundation in any direction they take.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by gigel82 »

brookst wrote: post #370
skilled wrote: post #235

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And your point is what exactly?

That most people who are very concerned about AI learning from their work have themselves learned from other peoples’ work. Culture is accretive. We all contribute, none of us create net new from scratch.

I can kind of see that, but he's just one person and he bought the books he learned from.

I presume OpenAI doesn't pay a fraction of the book's cost up to the writer every time it spits out content based on the book (it -at most- paid for the book once and ingested all its content to be used forever).

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by chrisfrantz »

alentred wrote: post #529
hankman86 wrote: post #495

Everyone keeps talking about Google being caught off guard, declaring a “code red” scenario and reeling the founders back in to avert an existential threat etc. I don’t personally care about Google so much. They haven’t innovated on their core product in a long time. What most of the journalistic coverage of the Bing+ChatGPT integration seems to be missing is that this is also the end of organic search traffic. Infor…

> And as ChatGPT evolves into an assistant that performs actual jobs for you, websites that perform actual services (e.g., online shopping) may be next in line to suffer a decline in traffic. Or an alternative: websites that perform actual services will be redesigned to facilitate the integration with (their use by) ChatGPT and continue providing the value to the end user (for example, in case of online shopping, use…

This is what I think will happen but not sure what that will look like. I think it gets much easier if it can detect a site is on Shopify and use the unified Shopify api for purchases. Interesting new world.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by drdaeman »

vinyl7 wrote: post #516
onionisafruit wrote: post #423

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Microsoft is using this announcement to get people to install "Bing Wallpaper" and a mobile app. That doesn't inspire confidence.

Just waiting on Microsoft to tell me about hot singles in my area, and the trifecta will be complete

Given how ChatGPT was trained to avoid talking about anything remotely related to sex at all costs, it's gonna be awkward.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by 13415 »

logicallee wrote: post #254
epups wrote: post #80

This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?

ChatGPT already mounts a challenge to Google. Today, it: 90%:"absolutely correctly and factually", 10%:"wildly misleadingly but plausibly" succinctly answers specific queries nearly instantly on every subject, usually saving a lot of time and giving satisfying answers, but leaving you wondering "did it that just make that up though?" The 10% of the time it makes stuff up and teaches it to you feels like a very mean-s…

I'm not convinced such a tool has many uses, at least not for me. I almost always search to find a document containing some information. Interestingly, many people I know also often use search to find sites/locations they already know.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by quasarj »

codethief wrote: post #527
mustacheemperor wrote: post #37

The Edge integration announced today also looks very impressive. I chuckled at the thought that MS is probably about to make a daily Edge user out of me and a lot of other people, but of course Edge is Chrome under the hood now. So Google beat MS to browser market dominance, and now MS is using their browser as a platform to go after Google's core business. Neat. I think this tech is going to be transformative for ev…

> I wish I could just explain to ChatGPT what I need copied and pasted from one document to another or what needs to be filled out. Recently, in a conversation with ChatGPT, I gave him a system administration task and told him I was a Linux terminal running bash and I would paste and execute everything he told me into the shell (and respond with the output). It worked okay – I wouldn't recommend it for production use…

This kind of thing is so far beyond anything I've learned about AI and machine learning. It blows my mind.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by dmix »

cabaalis wrote: post #553
veb wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get this, if you use Edge, with bing as search by default and join the waitlist, then another button appears "get access faster" or something, which then takes you to a page to make sure you've defaulted everything to Microsoft, and you've scanned a QR code to download a Bing mobile app. I can't be bothered _all_ of that. Mainly the addition of a new mobile app.

Honestly, the "if you use edge" piece is what is disappointing to me. Did they also have to make a browser play with this stuff? I prefer Firefox.

I doubt this is what the long term plan is. Apple forces you to jump through hoops to beta test stuff. But obviously this is in a much more Microsoft way.

I'll reserve judgement until I see how the public version is done.

You can use Bing in Firefox, I use both DDG and Google in FF. I could add one for Bing.

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