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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by nradov »

enervation wrote: post #20

From the Verge's liveblogging ( https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/7/23588249/microsoft-event-a... ) "This is an important part of the presentation, but I just want to note that Microsoft is having to carefully explain how its new search engine will be prevented from helping to plan school shootings. "Early red teaming showed that the model could help plan attacks" on things like schools. "We don't want to aid in illega…

What counts as "malicious" use? We all agree that school shootings should be prevented. But would it be malicious if Ukrainian military personnel used a LLM for advice on the best way to kill Russian invaders?

Facebook used to have a moderation policy banning promotion of violence. But then they made an exception and decided that urging the deaths of Russian soldiers is fine.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/exclusive-facebook-inst...

Personally I support the right of Ukrainians to defend themselves against foreign aggression. But deciding which forms of violence are justified and which are malicious is obviously highly subjective and contextual. I am uncomfortable with leaving those judgements up to a handful of unaccountable employees in big tech companies.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by seydor »

dougmwne wrote: post #2

I think we all here at HN will inevitably underestimate the impact of putting GPT into Bing. We may have been playing with GPT for years, but it has just been gift-wrapped and delivered to hundreds of millions in their default Windows browser. I’m expecting it to blow grandma’s mind.

This is not about grandmas though, it's not a 'dumbed down' version of a tech but a powerful tool for students, teachers, accountants, bankers, computer programmers. Google felt that way in 2000 when it made the web "usable", to do serious work with. IF this becomes dumbed down in the future in order to accomodate the most frivolous content seekers, then yes it will be a loss, just like how google has degraded to "search for a safe, shallow subset of the web"

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by MR4D »

FTA: > Unlike ChatGPT, the new Bing can also retrieve news about recent events. In The Verge’s demos, the search engine was even able to answer questions about its own launch, citing stories published by news sites in the last hour.

Game changer right there.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by basch »

rippercushions wrote: post #442
PenguinCoder wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I absolutely hate this, and it turns the search useless to me. When searching with "direct quotes" on Google, it has ignored my exact term in quotes and shown me results WITHOUT THAT KEYWORD. Useless.

This was finally largely fixed last year. https://blog.google/products/search/how-were-improving-searc...

That doesnt appear to be related. Your post is about making the preview text more relevant.

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Post by JohnFen »

Dalewyn wrote: post #439
JohnFen wrote: post #291

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> It's an end to keyword search I really hope not. I want keyword searching. I hope that it can continue to exist alongside this.

Most people ask human-style questions, eg: "How do I turn my toaster on?"; unlike tech enthusiasts who might be more inclined to feed mechanical queries, eg: "toaster turn on -site:reddit.com". If the former query becomes more useful, even at the cost of the latter (which has gotten fairly useless already anyway), that is an overall boon for end-users.

> that is an overall boon for end-users.

But it would be a loss for people doing research.

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Post by haswell »

avereveard wrote: post #397
haswell wrote: post #185

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Humanity always has a choice. The part where we rarely even pause to remember that a choice exists is the problem. Achieving AGI feels as consequential as learning to split the atom. Something else we regularly wish we had not done. The fact that we are running headlong towards potential catastrophe does not at any point prevent us from realizing this and taking a step back. I just hope we actually do.

this yet doesn't answer the question. why do you think humanity has a choice? how would humanity express that choice? jailing everone for thought crimes? even for the actions that humanity collectively found aborrhent you don't take action before the crime. note I'm not dissing you because I do share the feeling that thing will be out of control real fast before getting better, but I just don't know how it can be oth…

I’m not ignoring the history here. And based on that history I don’t doubt that we will continue to proceed headlong for awhile.

But I’m pretty convinced that humanity’s survival will eventually depend on it figuring out how not to pursue certain avenues of research/advancement. I don’t think this is overstating the future risks we will face.

And for all of the value that nuclear energy does provide, it remains one of the most tightly controlled technological capabilities for good reason.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

robertlagrant wrote: post #446
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #441

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It'd be the overtaking of the century. Let's see. Bing market share in the US = Edge market share in the US = 50% of internet traffic comes from phones). Even if they get 100% of Google searches on Edge-devices to go to Bing (which they'll be lucky if they even get to 50% on their platforms) - it will hardly do anything... The rate at which Edge is becoming irrelevant as people transition traffic to laptops (more lik…

I disagree, but for totally different reasons. I think Edge's advantage is MS could build a load of corporately validated plugins and service in it for employees, making it the de facto corporate browser. Then with some decent features around work/life separation with bookmarks and password management and it could easily start bleeding back into consumerland.

Why wouldn't Google build that into Chrome (and Mozilla into Firefox and Apple into Safari) if users want it?

ChatGPT is not special.

Any of these companies can develop LLMs that are on par with ChatGPT.

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Post by JohnFen »

robinsonb5 wrote: post #418
JohnFen wrote: post #278

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DDG is a search aggregator, and uses a bunch of different engines behind the scenes. One of them is Bing. They provide a list of the engines they use. Personally, I find DDG gives me the best results of all the engines I've tried, including Google. But plenty of other people have different experiences. My hypothesis is that it depends on what you're searching for and how you write the search query.

I have a suspicion that Google's search results are of much better quality if you allow them to track you. I still do (mostly out of laziness, I have to admit) - and I frequently find myself cursing at the uselessness of DuckDuckGo's results and using Google instead.

I did that experiment a while back. I think (but it's hard to tell) that I perceived the quality falling for me in that case.

Much of the problem with Google is that it's trying to make a guess about what I /really/ want, when what I really want is to find sites that contain certain words or phrases. Tracking me is irrelevant to that task, and if my online behavior affects the search results I get, that can't improve things.

I don't want a search engine to find me answers. I want it to search for web pages.

I like DDG because it (mostly) does what I want a search engine to do.

I'm not really bashing Google here, it's just that Google is a tool that accomplishes something different than what I need accomplished.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by SillyUsername »

nicbou wrote: post #192
zone411 wrote: post #159

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Google definitely made a strategic mistake by being slow to react and only taking action late. But Bing only has a limited period of time before Google catches up, and it doesn't seem like it will be enough to take away significant marketshare.

Google made a strategic mistake by being utter crap for the last few years.

^ This. Searches these days are full of sponsored ads. When you get to the bottom of the search results page you click more and it takes you to a new search, when you actually meant to click "2" (or page 3, 4 etc) in the tiny font at the _very_ bottom of the page.
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