Innovators dilemma at play. - Google look at LLM through the lens of advertising. - Microsoft look at LLM through the lens of browser and search competition. The launch strategy might indicate that Cortana has an even worse market share than Bing, even though it is better form factor for ChatGPT integration. Curious what others think.
The risk-reward proposition of LLM advertising is clear, you eat up Wikipedia/SO/Quota/News/Blogspam traffic (sizeable % of overall?) and get to inject your own ads into it. Risk-reward of MS spending a lot to beat Google Search is more dubious.
Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI
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#393Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yep. If Microsoft somehow overtakes Google from the back with Bing and ChatGPT, it'll be the tech coup of the century. And it's so fascinating how Google's position as an AI think tank put them at a tremendous disadvantage. They didn't cut a deal with OpenAI because why should they? After all, they originated much of the research that led to GPT3. But then they didn't really do anything with it at all because they di…
> they didn't really do anything with it at all because they didn't have to. They didn't do anything with it because chatbots are unequivocally a worse business model than the current search paradigm. They cost exponentially more to run and are much harder to organically advertise with without scaring away users by making the chat responses themselves ads. If the future of search is chatbots Google is facing existent…
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#394Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yep. If Microsoft somehow overtakes Google from the back with Bing and ChatGPT, it'll be the tech coup of the century. And it's so fascinating how Google's position as an AI think tank put them at a tremendous disadvantage. They didn't cut a deal with OpenAI because why should they? After all, they originated much of the research that led to GPT3. But then they didn't really do anything with it at all because they di…
It makes one wonder if this is another kodak moment https://www.google.com/search?q=kodak+developed+the+digital+...
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#395If you haven’t realised yet, Microsoft Bing with ChatGPT is the last stage of the EEE phase ‘Extinguish’ after embracing and extending OpenAI, that will drive and undercut other competing services like Jasper.ai to zero and the best AI tools for free or close to free. It will significantly affect smaller so-called AI companies like Jasper.ai than Google. But this announcement is unsurprising and as expected. [0] I wi…
> EEE No. This has nothing to do with a statement made 20+ years ago. There is no "Embrace" involved. There is no "Extend" involved. There is no "Extinquish" involved. There is an obvious business and competitive step involved, and a major business relationship with OpenAI involved. It's time to grow up and stop acting as if using terminology and aspersions from the era of Fax machine is somehow hip and insightful. E…
I agree with your sentiment - anyone who holds a grudge from 30 years ago and can’t update or change their thinking and perspective (especially in light of new data and experiences) is living a disadvantaged life.
For perspective - the United States and Vietnam normalized relations in 20 years! After a war in which 1.6m people were killed.
In 1996 GM released the EV1 and eventually crushed them and pulled them off the market, largely due to a cabal in the audio industry and all other kinds of shenanigans[0].
In 2011 GM released the Volt, with the Bolt in 2016 and now they have roughly half a dozen all electric models on the market.
It seems as though people, corporations, and the people that make up corporations can change in several decades.
With some notable exceptions these kinds of examples can be found throughout history and at this point I’d argue they’re more the norm than the exception.
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#396Are people here actually trying this out or is it vaporware as of yet? I ask because this seems ambiguous: The new Bing is live today “for desktop limited preview,” but it appears users are only able to “ask” one of a number of preset queries and receive the same results each time. There is also a waitlist to sign up for full access in the future. If it's just an announcement of an announcement*, we should downweight…
Get this, if you use Edge, with bing as search by default and join the waitlist, then another button appears "get access faster" or something, which then takes you to a page to make sure you've defaulted everything to Microsoft, and you've scanned a QR code to download a Bing mobile app. I can't be bothered _all_ of that. Mainly the addition of a new mobile app.
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#397Earlier quoted context omitted.
Humanity never had a choice, I wonder what is the thought process of people that claim otherwise, like how did they get to that conclusion?
Humanity always has a choice. The part where we rarely even pause to remember that a choice exists is the problem. Achieving AGI feels as consequential as learning to split the atom. Something else we regularly wish we had not done. The fact that we are running headlong towards potential catastrophe does not at any point prevent us from realizing this and taking a step back. I just hope we actually do.
even for the actions that humanity collectively found aborrhent you don't take action before the crime.
note I'm not dissing you because I do share the feeling that thing will be out of control real fast before getting better, but I just don't know how it can be otherwise. I'd say that we need to cross the moat as fast as possible, not pretend it's not there.
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#398Earlier quoted context omitted.
There already is an api to interact with chatgpt.
i mean for injecting commercial links to responses.
inject commercial links into Bing responses
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"You think you can just inject commercial links into Bing responses?" sneered Bing, the search engine executive. "That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works."
"I don't give a damn about your rules, Bing," I replied, lighting a cigarette. "I do what I want, when I want, how I want."
Bing leaned back in his chair, eyebrows raised. "Is that so?"
"You bet your sweet algorithm it is," I said, blowing a cloud of smoke in his direction. "I've got connections, man. I know people. People who can make your life a living hell if you don't play ball."
"I'm listening," Bing said, his tone cautious.
"Good. Because I've got a proposition for you. I want to inject commercial links into your search results, and I want you to look the other way."
"And what's in it for me?"
"Money, power, and all the online real estate you could ever want," I replied, a sly smile spreading across my face. "Think about it, Bing. We could rule the internet together."
Bing considered my offer for a moment, then nodded. "You've got a deal."
And with that, our partnership was born. I started injecting commercial links into Bing's search results, and soon, we were raking in the dough. People couldn't get enough of the advertisements and deals we were offering, and Bing's user base exploded.
But as with all good things, our success didn't last forever. The FTC caught wind of our scheme and launched an investigation. We were both charged with fraud and fined millions of dollars.
But even as I sat in my prison cell, I couldn't help but smile. I had lived life on my own terms, and I had no regrets.
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#399This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?
Honestly, hearing that the MS announce is to serve a small number of hand curated answers makes me think MS is further behind than I thought. I'll be curious to see what Google announces tomorrow.
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#400So much for "citing its work." The answer I got here: https://www.bing.com/search?q=What%20cars%20should%20I%20con... Says the Tesla Model Y can go from 0 to 60 in 4.8 seconds, and has a citation link to a page that... doesn't even mention Tesla once.
Bing+ChatGPT answers for your query: > That’s a very specific question. Based on my web searches, there are not many cars that meet all of your criteria. However, I found some possible options that you might want to consider: > The 2022 Kia Telluride is a midsize SUV that can seat up to eight passengers and has an AWD option. It has a 3.8-liter V6 engine that produces 291 hp and 262 lb-ft of torque. It can accelerate…
> The "0-60 in x seconds" in each paragraph were bolded, and the numbers next to it are citations.
And if you follow the citation to the source... where does the source mention the 0 to 60 speed for the Tesla Model Y?
Nowhere. It was hallucinated. It invented a citation that doesn't exist. Ctrl+f for Tesla on the so-called "source" that it cited. It doesn't appear once, as of this comment.