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Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by conductr »

altdataseller wrote: post #201
kjkjadksj wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe searches just arent that unique and they will cache all but the long tail of answers

15% of searches are unique according to https://www.seroundtable.com/amp/15-of-search-queries-google...

This will go up because they're telling everyone to search like this:

I need to throw a dinner party for 6 people who are vegetarian. Can you suggest a 3-course menu with a chocolate dessert?

As compared to the autocomplete feature which guided people into cached search terms

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by actuator »

How do people feel about sites from where this data is coming losing out on revenue?

When Google started showing answers, I remember complaints regarding Google benefiting from the site's data while depriving the site of a visitor. ChatGPT takes it to the next level.

Social media companies had run into issues for showing og tag content from news sites, where news sites complained of loss of revenue. In some jurisdictions they were fundamentally forced to ink deals with news sites for something core to the web, which is hyperlinking stuff. Here, we are going one step ahead by summarising.

While we are appreciating this now, this will become a fundamental issue in future if search engines keep becoming the content platform themselves.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by Magi604 »

d0tn3t wrote: post #195

Innovators dilemma at play. - Google look at LLM through the lens of advertising. - Microsoft look at LLM through the lens of browser and search competition. The launch strategy might indicate that Cortana has an even worse market share than Bing, even though it is better form factor for ChatGPT integration. Curious what others think.

Having ChatGPT be able to take verbal inputs and give verbal replies in Cortana's voice would be pretty neat.

Then you just find a way to make it a standalone thing not reliant on the internet, like in some sort of module or hard drive.

Then you put that module into a full body suit that has 2-way speakers in the helmet.

Congratulations, you are the Master Chief. Welcome to Halo.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by pphysch »

d0tn3t wrote: post #195

Innovators dilemma at play. - Google look at LLM through the lens of advertising. - Microsoft look at LLM through the lens of browser and search competition. The launch strategy might indicate that Cortana has an even worse market share than Bing, even though it is better form factor for ChatGPT integration. Curious what others think.

The risk-reward proposition of LLM advertising is clear, you eat up Wikipedia/SO/Quota/News/Blogspam traffic (sizeable % of overall?) and get to inject your own ads into it.

Risk-reward of MS spending a lot to beat Google Search is more dubious.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by donio »

For those of us who prefer traditional keyword based searches are there any search engines left that actually respect your query instead of trying to guess what you mean? I don't want to have a conversation with my search engine, I want it to return links based strictly on the keywords I provide.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by dang »

Are people here actually trying this out or is it vaporware as of yet? I ask because this seems ambiguous:

The new Bing is live today “for desktop limited preview,” but it appears users are only able to “ask” one of a number of preset queries and receive the same results each time. There is also a waitlist to sign up for full access in the future.

If it's just an announcement of an announcement*, we should downweight this thread and wait for one that has meat on its bones.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by brookst »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #212
altdataseller wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

15% of searches are unique according to https://www.seroundtable.com/amp/15-of-search-queries-google...

What's the decay? How many searches are only searched 2 and 3 times? I'd question if it's worth it to store the results an AI output for 3 years so that you don't need to regenerate it when someone searches it in the future. For 1 - you're probably going to have a meaningfully better model every year...

Yes, there’s a graph of cache duration to hit ratio.

With no data or particular domain expertise, I’d bet a 24 hour cache would hit at least 30% of the time, and a 7 day cache 60% of the time.

The problem is that a lot of the misses will be for recent events. How do you know whether “how many 737 maxes have crashed” should be served with a cache that is 3 months old?

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by JohnFen »

osigurdson wrote: post #248
nicbou wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google made a strategic mistake by being utter crap for the last few years.

I still think google search is pretty good. I try to use DDG but I almost always end up using g! in the query to return the google results. My understanding is DDG uses Bing (could be wrong). I don't think there is a better traditional search engine than google however.

DDG is a search aggregator, and uses a bunch of different engines behind the scenes. One of them is Bing. They provide a list of the engines they use.

Personally, I find DDG gives me the best results of all the engines I've tried, including Google. But plenty of other people have different experiences. My hypothesis is that it depends on what you're searching for and how you write the search query.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by magic_man »

epups wrote: post #80

This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?

Tech changes fast. Nokia, bb, aol, yahoo used to be top dog and now they are mostly gone.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by Fatnino »

partiallypro wrote: post #250
epups wrote: post #80

This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?

IMO, the integration with Edge is far more important. Then you are taking it with you anywhere and eventually I'm sure you can just have it interact with a page you're on. Google losing Chrome users in a measurable way would be massive. One challenge though is how this will work on mobile devices where Google will have a much more entrenched advantage.

Are people using Edge?

I don't use windows much anymore so I wouldn't know. But yesterday my dad asked for help logging into TurboTax. He had the login page open in Edge and ui elements were just not responding to clicks. I didn't spend any time trying to debug that and simply opened the page in Firefox where it worked perfectly.

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