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Mandatory DEI statements are becoming the norm in academic hiring

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Post by giraffe_lady »

wonderwonder wrote: post #251
giraffe_lady wrote: post #247

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You voted for a straightforwardly fascist governor for obliquely fascist reasons and then tried to abdicate moral responsibility based on the actions of other people. Fear your fears about the future and your children; we all do. And if those fears lead you to endorse and support a white nationalist movement, own your actions. No one forced you to do that.

Going to just stick with the "You don't vote how I vote so you're a Nazi!" argument huh? Cool Cool. Us jews are notorious Nazi's and white nationalists.

No I’m going to stick with voting for a fascist party makes you a fascist though.

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abbiebe89 wrote: post #176
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You cut off your link in the first comment. It read: "www(dot)mckinsey(dot)com/featured-insights/diversity-and-inc" I also removed " https:// " in addition to substituting (dot) to trick HN formatting. This one works because it points to the full link: "www(dot)mckinsey(dot)com/featured-insights/diversity-and-inclusion/diversity-wins-how-inclusion-matters" You can't just drag-select links on HN, since it truncates li…

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Curious, whats with all the alt accounts?

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Post by wonderwonder »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #261
wonderwonder wrote: post #251

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Going to just stick with the "You don't vote how I vote so you're a Nazi!" argument huh? Cool Cool. Us jews are notorious Nazi's and white nationalists.

No I’m going to stick with voting for a fascist party makes you a fascist though.

Cool Cool

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Post by cmh89 »

Dig1t wrote: post #224
cmh89 wrote: post #210

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I'm sure they do, just like they were outraged by critical race theory being taught in elementary school. I'm not arguing that Desantis is a bad politician. He understands how to create a boogeyman and then get people outraged over it better than any politician alive.

For me, it was the opposite. I see this stuff at work and online and am angry about it. I look out at the political landscape and see that all the left is supporting this racist garbage, and I see the right is more concerned with oil pipelines and lowering taxes. Desantis is the only one who sticks out that is doing anything about this.

>I see this stuff at work and online and am angry about it.

Well yeah, that's the whole point of their information machine.

>I look out at the political landscape and see that all the left is supporting this racist garbage, and I see the right is more concerned with oil pipelines and lowering taxes.

Who is now? The right only has the culture war to talk about. Tucker is on nightly raging about identity politics and whatever they want you to be upset about. I have two Democrat Senators and a Democrat rep I get emails from and they basically only talk about job creation, protecting the environment, and creating a fair tax system.

Your understanding of 'left' politics is just what right-wing media has told you it is.

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Post by raxxorraxor »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #221
raxxorraxor wrote: post #186

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I believe the set of beliefs associated most often with DEI are weakest with no opposition at all. I believe a lot of it is reactionary. This is why it needs huge media events where people can be outraged. But as far as ideas goes that would be general humanism like color blindness, freedom of speech and expression, freedom of association, guilty until proven innocent, equality instead of equity (although a balance h…

Sorry, but I think we're talking past each other. My claim is that the values you mentioned(free speech &c.) are derivatives of enlightenment thought whose epistemological basis is objective reality. This appears tautologically true for true-believers within objective reality. The DEI values are derived from an internal contradiction within objective reality which is something like, "How can X,Y,and Z bad things exis…

I do indeed believe in objective reality, but enlightenment also taught me that my perspective can only ever be subjective as well as I can only hope that I can approach these values to a sufficient degree. This is an important realization and a potent argument to disarm a lot of DEI initiatives. Because it often proposes to be able to discern inequality objectively and redistribute it in a just manner. Impossible from an equally subjective perspective. And they do that by violating the values first proposed. Subjectively and objectively they simply do away with them completely.

Abstracted further, the way you describe some DEI ideas react to the enlightenment ideas, is to say that idealism doesn't solve real problems (color blindness is nice an all, but inequalities remain). That is not wrong even if everyone indeed believed in equality. Everyone wants to provide disability access and is in favor of that. But ask yourself how often you actually acted on that wish. Or how often you forgot about it. But there are pragmatic ways to solve it without discriminating the healthy at all.

But don't let all that fool you. This isn't a battle about objective or subjective reality. It is much more simple. It is about monarchy and people believing their ideas makes them your betters. This is what prestigious institutions want to sell in the modern world where logistics of knowledge come into reach of everyone. The need to differentiate themselves and their institutions. People that believe they should cut the pieces of the pie you deserve in their opinion. One as subjective as everyone else's. Why is it successful? Because it instills fears in its followers. That there are evil racist and sexist people that are out to get you. In response the believers do away with enlightenment values. I believe it to be wrong that there are deeper thoughts behind it. In the end these are just people with special interests trying to sell their religion. The Alex Jones of Harvard. I wouldn't even say they are smarter in selling their product. Maybe a bit more subtle.

Their failure is that they are absolutely incapable to connect to the working class in a competitive economy. No, psychologically safety and bad words aren't on the mind of people that try to get by and fear the need to justify their jobs every minute.

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Post by cmh89 »

wonderwonder wrote: post #226
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Because there is more to quality of life than the economy. My point is that you can vote on outrage on non-issues because the state caters to your needs while leaving thousands of others behind.

Again this applies to every state. What my kids are taught in school is not a non issue for me, it's pretty much the issue. I will always vote for things that put my kids first even if that regretfully negativity affects others. I won't ever feel bad about that. Everyone will always have different priorities and core issues and that's fine. That's the beauty of democracy, everyone gets to consider their priorities an…

>Again this applies to every state.

Sorry, it does not. Many states focus on improving conditions for their poorest citizens, for historically marginalized citizens, and work to improve access to systems that make people's lives better.

>What my kids are taught in school is not a non issue for me, it's pretty much the issue.

Sure, and Florida is moving away from teaching useful things.

> I will always vote for things that put my kids first even if that regretfully negativity affects others

These policies don't put your children first, they put you first. They exist to make you feel better about the thing the right-wing media has convinced you to be outraged about.

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Post by adamsmith143 »

astrange wrote: post #72
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I think we'll find a pendulum effect where schools that lean far into DEI are going to lose out on top students, grants, researchers, etc. They'll have to readjust and swing back into pedagogy because it will be very clear that if e.g. UC Berkeley is training students in DEI and not as much focus is spent on the actual subject matter their students won't start great companies, they won't get PhD's at other top school…

Do students actually learn anything that causes them to be better at starting companies, anywhere, ever?

Sure, if you're creating a high tech company you need high levels of competence in high tech. Which you presumably can gain at somewhere like Berkeley, Stanford, MIT, etc.

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Post by cmh89 »

throwawayacc6 wrote: post #239
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I enjoy that they added censor bubbles to make the pictures seem worse than they are after having me attest to being over 18. Top-tier scare mongering.

>after having me attest to being over 18. That is required by federal law. Same reason you have to attest to being over 18 on porn sites.

You're welcome to post said law but there a thousands of websites on the world wide web that host explicit images that don't require you to attest to being 18. This website is hosting censored cartoon images that weren't explicit in the first place.

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Post by adamsmith143 »

shadowgovt wrote: post #199
adamsmith143 wrote: post #148

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You no longer hire the best candidate on the merits but rather the one with a sufficiently high DEI score.

Isn't "ability to work with people of a diverse background" also one of the merits in a very, very diverse society?

If my goal is to hire e.g "the best physicists" in the world then its probably going to be low on my list. Particularly in stem where disagreeableness is high in general.

Also if a University is optimizing for say "Most High Impact Research published" by a prospective hire, their skin color is going to be pretty irrelevant.

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