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Mandatory DEI statements are becoming the norm in academic hiring

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Post by mikebenfield »

Manuel_D wrote: post #65
adamsmith143 wrote: post #48

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>I worry about my kids if this keeps escalating. I dislike Desantis for many reasons but ended up voting for him specifically for this reason and a couple of other cultural issues. Considering the book banning he just enacted this seems like an extremely short sighted and poorly thought out reasoning.

Banning books from public school libraries has nearly zero effect on what students are exposed to. Did you ever check out a book from the school library? I never did, the actual municipal library had a much better selection. Harry Potter was banned from plenty of libraries for witchcraft, and it's sales demonstrate how futile it was.

> Did you ever check out a book from the school library?

Uh, yeah. All the time actually.

Re: Mandatory DEI statements are becoming the norm in academic hiring

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Post by hgielatan »

Manuel_D wrote: post #121
esporx wrote: post #106

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All of your links are either paywalled studies, or lead to 404 pages, except for the first one. > The effect of shared ethnicity was even stronger, reducing an investment’s comparative success rate by 26.4% to 32.2%. Right, so any diversity of ethnicity - including Asians - was associated with this "diversity boost". > They find student performance most-improved when there was greater management diversity, And again,…

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Re: Mandatory DEI statements are becoming the norm in academic hiring

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

lflfofodpld wrote: post #84
SpeedilyDamage wrote: post #66

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> It's the civil rights movement in reverse. Is it? Here's what MLK has written: > “Whenever the issue of compensatory treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree; but he should ask nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic.” > “A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of…

Lmao your argument is "real DEI has never been tried"

Real DEI is tried. But everyone complains about the sucky implementations.

Here's an equity implementation that seemed to work: https://www.corporatecomplianceinsights.com/how-successful-d...

> Schulman realized he had to do something about the large gap between the lower-paid employees and the rest of the company. “Imagine asking people to double down on serving customers when they’re more financially stressed than ever before, when they don’t even have healthcare benefits,” he told Insider. So PayPal raised wages for lower-level workers by about 7 percent – not a huge amount, but enough to ease money worries – and gave them restricted stock units so they could share in PayPal’s success. The company also covered more healthcare costs, cutting the amount lower-level employees contribute by around 58 percent.

> Employee turnover has been cut in half

Here is a diversity initiative enacted politically: https://www.hrdive.com/news/virginia-outlaws-hair-discrimina...

> Discrimination based on hair texture, type and hairstyles such as braids, locks and twists will be illegal in Virginia starting July 1. Gov. Ralph Northam signed a bill on March 4 that “clarifies” that when the law bans discrimination “on the basis of race,” that includes “traits historically associated with race, including hair texture, hair type, and protective hairstyles such as braids, locks, and twists.”

I'm sure I could fine more examples if I didn't have a meeting in 5 minutes.

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Post by Karunamon »

shadowgovt wrote: post #32
dtx1 wrote: post #8

These Rules and Statements always remind me of the stories I heard from the GDR and USSR Days. To get your highschool diploma or PhD in the GDR you had to recite your commitment to Communist/Marxist ideas before a panel that often didn't care about it but everyone knew it was just easiest to go through the motions anyway.

Every company I've worked for has a code of conduct we had to sign. I didn't have to take an oath to get my diploma, but I'm not a medical doctor. I've also never had to swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, etc., as I've never witnessed anything the Courts cared to interrogate me on. There's a lot of contexts where oaths are required; they're not limited to the USSR and GDR. Oaths are just one of those tools soc…

Signing a code of conduct which proscribes specific behaviors is not in any way comparable to professing allegiance to a specific political system.

Re: Mandatory DEI statements are becoming the norm in academic hiring

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Post by Manuel_D »

hgielatan wrote: post #132
Manuel_D wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of your links are either paywalled studies, or lead to 404 pages, except for the first one. > The effect of shared ethnicity was even stronger, reducing an investment’s comparative success rate by 26.4% to 32.2%. Right, so any diversity of ethnicity - including Asians - was associated with this "diversity boost". > They find student performance most-improved when there was greater management diversity, And again,…

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It matters because I pointed out the mismatch between Asians being considered diverse the the bulk of the diversity research, but not in DEI discrimination policies: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34695045

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Post by JustFigItOut »

kyleblarson wrote: post #70

What are the odds Dr Martin Luther King would have been hired at Berkeley? "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

Probably pretty good. MLK was a smart man who understood that correcting injustice requires special treatment to the wronged.

“A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for the Negro.” - MLK

Re: Mandatory DEI statements are becoming the norm in academic hiring

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Post by [deleted] »

josephcsible wrote: post #119
thwayunion wrote: post #109

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Depends on the college. At other colleges, refusing to identify as a conservative Christian would get the candidate immediately rejected.

> Depends on the college. Not really. The only colleges that wouldn't immediately reject a candidate who said something like that also wouldn't have demanded a DEI statement in the first place. > At other colleges, refusing to identify as a conservative Christian would get the candidate immediately rejected. Other than a seminary, can you give a specific example of one?

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Post by remarkEon »

esporx wrote: post #101
josephcsible wrote: post #97

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"no books at all" is a result of them voluntarily making things worse to try to win political points. That's not what any law required.

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You can read the law in question here[1]. Parents must have a venue to object to instructional content, and porn in school libraries is already illegal under a prior law about giving porn to minors. What is unclear about this?

[1] https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1467/BillText/er/...

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Post by hgielatan »

Manuel_D wrote: post #135
hgielatan wrote: post #132

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It matters because I pointed out the mismatch between Asians being considered diverse the the bulk of the diversity research, but not in DEI discrimination policies: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34695045

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Post by wonderwonder »

cmh89 wrote: post #107
edgyquant wrote: post #43

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>worry about my kids if this keeps escalating. I dislike Desantis for many reasons but ended up voting for him specifically for this reason and a couple of other cultural issues Yep. There’s likely going to be a huge blowback to all of this and the supporters will write it off as the country being full of racists. At this point I no longer care. This is draconian stuff.

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I mean if that's the case then I would probably have to vote for Desantis again. Florida economy is doing well. No Income tax and it's currently the fastest growing state by population so others must think the same.
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