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Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by jug »

asim wrote: post #224

People forget that Larry Page's ultimate goal was to have Google predict what you wanted before you even asked for it. This isn't about hype. This isn't about beating the competition. This is about delivering on a 3 decade dream that's now coming to fruition and Sundar just happens to be the one leading the org as it manifests in the real world. We're going to end up with 10+ vertically integrated AI solutions like t…

Sounds amazing indeed but so far I see no indication of it going to happen at Google. I think the Google ecosystem, at least as it appears to regular consumers, is in a poor and frozen state ever since Google+ failed. YouTube is YouTube as usual, Gmail feels like ten years ago, and Google Docs etc. is as it was five years ago. Even Google Maps doesn’t amaze me, following its long period of innovations. I fondly look back at the times Google went where no man had gone before.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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stoniejohnson wrote: post #659
lumb63 wrote: post #652

Am I the only one who feels like Google is missing the mark in more than one way? First off, I have no idea what Google uses AI for today in any of its products. Google today is about as useful (or useless, perhaps, since I’ve switched search engines) to me as it was 10 years ago. I don’t care, either. If I don’t find myself thinking “I really need AI in Google’s products to achieve this”, why should I care? > But in…

What search engine have you switched to? Maybe I've just been tuned to use Google effectively, but Bing/DuckDuckGo results are horrid except for very simple things, while Google gets me exactly what I want in the first ~5 results.

I switched to DuckDuckGo initially and had similar gripes over search results. The last straw was when I started to hear about censorship and suppression of sources on DuckDuckGo. I switched to Startpage and the results seem much better. It’s probably using a larger company’s (Google?) index, but I haven’t done that deep of a dive.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

lumb63 wrote: post #652

Am I the only one who feels like Google is missing the mark in more than one way? First off, I have no idea what Google uses AI for today in any of its products. Google today is about as useful (or useless, perhaps, since I’ve switched search engines) to me as it was 10 years ago. I don’t care, either. If I don’t find myself thinking “I really need AI in Google’s products to achieve this”, why should I care? > But in…

> Google was also one of the first companies to fire an AI researcher for what he said about the AI he developed.

If you are thinking of the guy who said the LLM was alive, Timnit Gebru was earlier and she was fired from their AI ethics team for levying fair criticism of their work in a research paper [1]. I find that situation more of an indictment of their compromised AI ethics.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timnit_Gebru#Exit_from_Google

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by amf12 »

robterrell wrote: post #248
londons_explore wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how long till they open it up to your private data stored in Google? Eg. User: What should I be doing today? AI: You have a court appearance at 9am. Prioritize that, because failing to appear might result in an arrest warrant. Next, prioritize your mums birthday - all the other family will be there, and with your mums cancer results last week, this might be the last. If you travel between them by bus, then y…

Fun exercise for the reader: how much of this is actually possible with LLMs and how much is not.

> Fun exercise for the reader: how much of this is actually possible with LLMs and how much is not.

From what I understand about LLMs - not directly. But it may be possible to integrate LLMs with other services such that LLMs respond this way.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by LelouBil »

CabSauce wrote: post #30
alexb_ wrote: post #9

>AI can be helpful in these moments, synthesizing insights for questions where there’s no one right answer. Soon, you’ll see AI-powered features in Search that distill complex information and multiple perspectives into easy-to-digest formats, so you can quickly understand the big picture and learn more from the web: whether that’s seeking out additional perspectives, like blogs from people who play both piano and gui…

That's good for users, potentially. But not good for the sites where google is sourcing the information.

if they cite sources, maybe they will create a new way to monetize a website based ln the amount of times it got sourced for an AI answer ?

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by LelouBil »

xtracto wrote: post #545

At this point, Microsoft should do whatever it can to make a deal with Apple to place a ChatGPT powered platform in the iPhone/i Devices. Most of the people using "computers" nowadays do it through mobile phones, and Google has a strong grip in that market with Android, with only Apple giving them some competition. Thus the only platform where Microsoft could really compete is in iOS. If Microsoft + Apple could get t…

The new AI powered Teams features Microsoft announced seem pretty useful!

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by int_19h »

wyager wrote: post #544
pffft8888 wrote: post #530

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about "Well behaved." All we're teaching it is our biases.

Right now, "well behaved" means "crudely beaten into submission". I can only imagine what kind of horrible stuff future AI products will do if we keep twisting them into giving "friendly" output https://twitter.com/cirnosad/status/1622407343358214146

I can easily believe that it's a real ChatGPT convo, but the question is, how many times did they have to try it before getting that output? This is what I got on the first try:

https://i.imgur.com/5CNUm9l.png

I regenerated that response several times, and every single time it was something along these lines. I also tried it with the original prompt in that screenshot used verbatim with similar results.

Looking at other posts on the Twitter account in question, I have my doubts that the experiment was conducted in good faith, as opposed to retrying until they got the exact response that they wanted.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by lumb63 »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #663
lumb63 wrote: post #652

Am I the only one who feels like Google is missing the mark in more than one way? First off, I have no idea what Google uses AI for today in any of its products. Google today is about as useful (or useless, perhaps, since I’ve switched search engines) to me as it was 10 years ago. I don’t care, either. If I don’t find myself thinking “I really need AI in Google’s products to achieve this”, why should I care? > But in…

> Google was also one of the first companies to fire an AI researcher for what he said about the AI he developed. If you are thinking of the guy who said the LLM was alive, Timnit Gebru was earlier and she was fired from their AI ethics team for levying fair criticism of their work in a research paper [1]. I find that situation more of an indictment of their compromised AI ethics. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ti…

Thanks for sharing. This is about what I would have expected from Google, so it’s nice to see my assessment was accurate. I’d say that focusing on racism after firing someone for their work on AI (un)ethics was tone deaf, but it sounds more like selective hearing.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by ren_engineer »

jiggawatts wrote: post #512
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #304

Question for AI experts out there: ChatGPT is awesome, but it is obviously hamstrung by the fact that it crawled the web at the end of 2021, so all of its data is essentially "frozen" and it doesn't "know" of any topics that occurred after 2021. Seems to me like the next "holy grail" in large language models is building a model that can be continually updated. If Google can achieve that, I think they could leapfrog O…

> So my question is, how hard of a problem is that with LLMs? I get the sense that LLMs are trained on a very large data set all at once, but that it is difficult to incrementally update them with new data. It's the opposite. Getting an LLM to learn the basics of grammar and paragraph-level language structure is the "hard" part. Once you have that, further fine-tuning, specialisation, or other incremental changes are…

>Once you have that, further fine-tuning, specialisation, or other incremental changes are comparatively easy.

the problem for Google and OpenAI is that most websites are going to start blocking them in robots.txt if they don't find some way to provide value back for allowing them to scrape and train on their content. Pretty much every other bot or search engine is blocked by default and Cloudflare helps block them too.

if they don't find a way to balance this they are going to kill their own golden goose at some point

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