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Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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post #188

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> But I can't see how anyone will be incentivized to create and post content for Google to scrape if they won't have any traffic from Google. The problem right now is that the incentives have caused most of the output online to be garbage.

Exactly. If Google is able to provide better answers than the garbage websites with their SEO hacks, those garbage websites will not get clicks. I could see this improving the incentive system significantly

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Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

#402

I agree this is bland corporate speak. But it reminded me of a question that's been floating around: A number of pundits, here on HN and elsewhere, keep referring to these large language models are "google killers." This just doesn't make sense to me. It feels like Google can easily pivot its ad engine to work with the AI-driven chat systems. It can augment answers with links to additional sources of information, be…

Those new language models are "Google killers" because they reset all the assumptions that people have made about search for several decades. Imagine that people start using those chat bots massively as a replacement for Google search. Then the notion of keyword disappears. Google AdSense becomes mostly irrelevant. Of course, Google is a giant today with a history of machine learning innovation. So they have a good c…

Delusional to think Ads work only on Keywords.

Where there is human attention, there will always be ads. The more context, the better ads.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

#403
post #80

TLDR: "we're still relevant, honest!"

It's about the stock, not pandering and catering to how people think of google.

It is completely a statement to try to assure people that Google is still doing relevant work in the AI realm. It reads like a middle-of-the-night panic attack after waking from a dream that Pichai had in which Google had essentially vanished.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

#404

> Soon, you’ll see AI-powered features in Search Despite this blog obviously being written for Wall St, this line is key. This is why anyone is going to struggle to compete with Google in AI. Google Search is used so widely and its taxonomy of meaning so vast already that once they flip this on they’ll be unstoppable. (Assuming any rate of improvement whatsoever as we search.) I’m not mentioning all other learning da…

Google’s inability execute is why they will lose the AI war. The fact the CEO has to write this article to wall street shows that they were caught offguard and have no real plans. If they had plans, why would Google management declare a code red over chatGPT?

Take the difference between Microsoft and Google. Microsoft just released tools that will make your life much easier. Intelligent Recap of teams meetings, ability to assign tasks based on what was discussed etc. Microsoft will announce bing with have chatgpt integration tomorrow. MSFT is eating Goog’s lunch and Sundar needs to go.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

#405

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Banner, sidebar, in-line, interstitial, modal… what advertising modes wouldn’t work on conversational interface?

Conversational interfaces seem ideally suited to voice assistants. When you ask "hey google, what's the default password for my router?" does it make you sit through a 30 second ad before saying "the default password is password ".

That sounds like a complete nightmare. At least in a web page I can at least look away from the ad.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

#406

> Soon, you’ll see AI-powered features in Search Despite this blog obviously being written for Wall St, this line is key. This is why anyone is going to struggle to compete with Google in AI. Google Search is used so widely and its taxonomy of meaning so vast already that once they flip this on they’ll be unstoppable. (Assuming any rate of improvement whatsoever as we search.) I’m not mentioning all other learning da…

Google is on a collision course with regulators over search. If they are seen to be taking yet more content and knowledge from websites and "republishing" it they are going to find themselves with large fines and sanctions. I think they are too "big" to really push AI, it needs smaller companies willing to take a higher risk.

It's an interesting conundrum because facts aren't copyrightable, but in a world with intelligent language models that can ingest facts and spit them back out in whatever phrasing or format is most useful to the user, facts are also the only valuable part of such websites.

On the flip side, trying to make facts copyrightable seems like a terrible idea for all sorts of reasons. For example, if facts were copyrightable, that would make online discussion of factual stories illegal, since it's hard to discuss a fact without revealing what it is. Also, it's not always clear who should get "credit" for a fact, since facts are by their very nature true independent of who first reported them.

Maybe journalism will eventually become similar to academia, where journalists are funded by governments and large corporations who have an interest in learning, and the resulting discoveries are (ideally) made freely available for everyone to access?

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

#407

I agree this is bland corporate speak. But it reminded me of a question that's been floating around: A number of pundits, here on HN and elsewhere, keep referring to these large language models are "google killers." This just doesn't make sense to me. It feels like Google can easily pivot its ad engine to work with the AI-driven chat systems. It can augment answers with links to additional sources of information, be…

It still can be a Google killer even if Google comes up with something better because Google makes its money from sending people to the highest bidder. So far there's no clear path to make money from ChatGPT, let alone match the sum Google is making from Search.

If this new paradigm dominates the way people use computers and it's not as profitable as Search, Google might indeed have to scale back.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

#409

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Sundar did nothing but failed projects. Google is still where it was many years ago.

My Google phone can instantly translate almost any foreign language, embedded in an image, without an internet connection. Pretty sure that was not a thing 8 years ago. If/when Google embeds an (local and/or lightweight) Bard model into every Pixel phone, that will be a game-changer.

That was a feature of google translate many years ago. Absolutely nothing new.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

#410
post #224

People forget that Larry Page's ultimate goal was to have Google predict what you wanted before you even asked for it. This isn't about hype. This isn't about beating the competition. This is about delivering on a 3 decade dream that's now coming to fruition and Sundar just happens to be the one leading the org as it manifests in the real world. We're going to end up with 10+ vertically integrated AI solutions like t…

Considering what ChatGPT does with internet knowledge, I'm scared to have it trained on my internet history of clicks... It will be massively dangerous and totally centralized in so few hands...
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