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AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Everybody seems up in arms about this situation, but I find the whole thing hilarious. After half a decade of AI hype without many uses in the wild, we finally live at a point in history where "AI-generated Jerry Seinfeld makes transphobic joke, gets cancelled" is not an Onion headline.

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Well, it violated Twitch's ToS, so I assume enough people found it a problem that shutting it down was the right call.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Explanation from their Discord (more info/links below) “Earlier tonight, we started having an outage using OpenAI’s GPT-3 Davinci model, which caused the show to exhibit errant behaviors (you may have seen empty rooms cycling through). OpenAI has a less sophisticated model, Curie, that was the predecessor to Davinci. When davinci started failing, we switched over to Curie to try to keep the show running without any d…

What’s “errant” about it? Lots of transphobic people around, if anything I’d say the AI was closer to “real life” than lots of other AI systems.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Some human should curate it to collect those moments.

Or write an AI that does sentiment analysis on the Twitch chat, to find those moments automatically.

Don't even need AI, just count the number of LOLW per minute or whatever other emotes get spammed. I'm not sure how well generic sentiment analysis would work on twitch chat. You'd have to train a new model and it doesn't seem worth it.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Honestly the "no one is laughing" punchline makes it hard for me to call this a transphobic joke. It's a transphobic-phobic joke and not gonna lie I chuckled.

The delivery is so bad, you could take it either way. However, censoring a sentence like "thinking about making a joke about how transgender people are ruining the fabric of society" is very thought-police. In itself, it says nothing, and certainly cannot be seen as hate speech.

That have never mattered to the mob. Anyone who questions this new religion must be silenced.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Which probably isn't a good strategy to handle taboo topics long-term.

I'm substantially more worried about returning to a society with openly enforced taboos. I thought we had left that in the past century, but I was clearly too optimistic.

When did it stop...

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Everybody seems up in arms about this situation, but I find the whole thing hilarious. After half a decade of AI hype without many uses in the wild, we finally live at a point in history where "AI-generated Jerry Seinfeld makes transphobic joke, gets cancelled" is not an Onion headline.

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I always have to look up if it was Socrates or Plato who got sentenced to death for simultaneously being an atheist and worshiping new gods his city didn't recognise.

Point is, you may not like it, but merely being cancelled rather than straight up executed is why we live in the good times.

(And whatever the merits and demerits of unrestricted free speech, a machine that isn't deemed capable of personhood shouldn't get the same rights to that as a human).

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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I agree, but it’s ambiguous enough to be poor taste and feel uncomfortable. My first instinct is that Twitch is overreacting, but I can see why they need to be pretty draconian to avoid endless boundary-pushing from jerks.

Artists are what we call the people who push against the boundaries of majority group-speak and government mandated thinking.

Intent matters, and there are a lot of people who would say the exact words that the AI said, not with the intention to provoke thought but with the intention to normalize hate. A temporary ban while there is ambiguity about the intent is not unreasonable. But Twitch should be criticized if it persists in the ban after it discovers, as it should have by now, that it was not the intention of this channel's creators, and that the channel's creators are working in good faith to prevent anything that could be construed as normalizing hate in the future.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Uncharacteristically off-topic comment from me, I guess, but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? How are our relationships supposed to improve if we dub anything that makes us uncomfortable as "taboo" and steer clear of it? I get that on the Internet there is a lot of anonymity (though less than there used to be) that folks tend to abuse, but at the same t…

sometimes you can't have nice things because there are people who will abuse them.

there are actual Nazis out there who want to put people in ovens, so it's taboo to make jokes about how they may have a point.

similar thing with trans people, you mention them and trolls come out of the woodwork saying they should kill themselves.

there are a lot of horrible people and trollish behaviors online, and sometimes the only way to deal is to avoid the topic that brings it out, which kind of aligns with the objectives the trolls wanted in the first place. social media isn't making these calls as some kind of woke social engineering, they're making them to avoid a death spiral into a cesspool that destroys their business and civil society itself. Yeah, it's silly to read "AI comic canceled for transphobia", but maybe it's not just the community standards that are the issue.

"Evolution of democracy is not possible if we are not prepared to hear the other side."

"Democracy is a great institution and, therefore, it is liable to be greatly abused."

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Uncharacteristically off-topic comment from me, I guess, but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? How are our relationships supposed to improve if we dub anything that makes us uncomfortable as "taboo" and steer clear of it? I get that on the Internet there is a lot of anonymity (though less than there used to be) that folks tend to abuse, but at the same t…

sometimes you can't have nice things because there are people who will abuse them. there are actual Nazis out there who want to put people in ovens, so it's taboo to make jokes about how they may have a point. similar thing with trans people, you mention them and trolls come out of the woodwork saying they should kill themselves. there are a lot of horrible people and trollish behaviors online, and sometimes the only…

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/02/kiwi-farms-die-...

https://www.vice.com/en/article/z34ane/neo-nazi-homeschool-o...

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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post #182

Uncharacteristically off-topic comment from me, I guess, but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? How are our relationships supposed to improve if we dub anything that makes us uncomfortable as "taboo" and steer clear of it? I get that on the Internet there is a lot of anonymity (though less than there used to be) that folks tend to abuse, but at the same t…

Agreed, as a society we need to increase our resilience to opinions we may find uncomfortable.

As a society we shouldn't tolerate the intolerant, those who seek every excuse to vilify and target minorities.

FYI, certain prominent political leaders said they’d outlaw certain minorities and make the lives of people living hell.

Personally i am not fond of seeing friends and family suffer at the hand of fascists.

@Dang, since when is paraphrasing Popper and restating the statements of people without a sliver of modification or strawmans worth flagging?

Don't you think there is a problem with abuse here?

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