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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by KingOfCoders »

wefarrell wrote: post #603
reso wrote: post #596

Mick West's breakdowns of the Pentagon UAP videos was the nail in the coffin of this era of UFO hype for me. https://youtu.be/Le7Fqbsrrm8?t=665 These were supposed to be the smoking gun evidence. UFO believers inside the DoD and as high up as US Senators fought for years to get them declassified. As soon as they were public, they were all quickly identified as sensor glare, bokeh, or mis-understood perspective. More…

That explanation fails to account for the multiple other sensors that picked them up, including several different radar systems and the fact that multiple pilots witnessed them with their eyes. However the other sensor data are classified which makes it impossible to draw any conclusions.

If they release the videos we will know!

If they release the radar data we will know!

If they release ...

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by aliswe »

vlovich123 wrote: post #593
bostonwalker wrote: post #548

Excluding otherworldly forms of speculation about why possible aliens are visiting us, this subject really boils down to four tangible questions about how we arrived at this footage and the eyewitness accounts from Fravor et al: - Is it aliens? - If not, do these sightings represent real unexplainable technological phenomena (advanced propulsion technology)? - If not, are the eyewitness accounts credible? - In any ca…

Spoiler. It’s never aliens

It's always aliens because they are alien

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by lethologica »

reso wrote: post #596

Mick West's breakdowns of the Pentagon UAP videos was the nail in the coffin of this era of UFO hype for me. https://youtu.be/Le7Fqbsrrm8?t=665 These were supposed to be the smoking gun evidence. UFO believers inside the DoD and as high up as US Senators fought for years to get them declassified. As soon as they were public, they were all quickly identified as sensor glare, bokeh, or mis-understood perspective. More…

How can it be sensor glare when the pilots saw with their own eyes these objects?

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Post by [deleted] »

vinaypai wrote: post #455
Fezzik wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The close-minded approach is to accept someone’s fantastical claim because you want to, or just because the claim is being made, when the claim is contrary to mountains and centuries of evidence. The open-minded take incorporates all the possible evidence to reach the most likely conclusion. And the conclusion is never, so far, either aliens or magic. It’s just silly to conclude that an observation that has no immedi…

It's US chauvinism that leads people here assume that any advanced tech beyond our capabilities must be magic or aliens. The US isn't the only country with secret military research projects.

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Post by jossclimb »

reso wrote: post #596

Mick West's breakdowns of the Pentagon UAP videos was the nail in the coffin of this era of UFO hype for me. https://youtu.be/Le7Fqbsrrm8?t=665 These were supposed to be the smoking gun evidence. UFO believers inside the DoD and as high up as US Senators fought for years to get them declassified. As soon as they were public, they were all quickly identified as sensor glare, bokeh, or mis-understood perspective. More…

Its speculation that it was sensor glare, boke etc. Hardly convincing at all considering its some YouTuber basing his research on grainy video.

Speculation that also does not factor in multi eye witness accounts and radar measurements.

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Post by headsoup »

Michio Kaku said something in an interview a while ago that struck me: to think about the universe being billions of years old, there is no reason there aren't planets out there millions of years of advancement ahead of us. And just imagine what we might be capable of (aside disaster of course) with another few million years of progress?...

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Post by can16358p »

headsoup wrote: post #616

Michio Kaku said something in an interview a while ago that struck me: to think about the universe being billions of years old, there is no reason there aren't planets out there millions of years of advancement ahead of us. And just imagine what we might be capable of (aside disaster of course) with another few million years of progress?...

Well, there is more to it. That is one of the many interpretations of Fermi Paradox.

But there may also be a great filter that might be preventing any civilization from reaching a certain tech level.

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Post by simonh »

jossclimb wrote: post #615
reso wrote: post #596

Mick West's breakdowns of the Pentagon UAP videos was the nail in the coffin of this era of UFO hype for me. https://youtu.be/Le7Fqbsrrm8?t=665 These were supposed to be the smoking gun evidence. UFO believers inside the DoD and as high up as US Senators fought for years to get them declassified. As soon as they were public, they were all quickly identified as sensor glare, bokeh, or mis-understood perspective. More…

Its speculation that it was sensor glare, boke etc. Hardly convincing at all considering its some YouTuber basing his research on grainy video. Speculation that also does not factor in multi eye witness accounts and radar measurements.

They exhibit all the characteristics of bokeh and sensor glare, and it’s speculation that they are anything else.

As for instrument measurements, the track that turns out to be a bird is identified as such mainly by simply correctly interpreting the instrument data.

So we’re back the square one. All the ‘smoking gun’ evidence turns out to be a damp squib and now we’re just expected to believe unrecorded ‘radar measurements’ and eye witness accounts.

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Post by godelski »

lethologica wrote: post #613
reso wrote: post #596

Mick West's breakdowns of the Pentagon UAP videos was the nail in the coffin of this era of UFO hype for me. https://youtu.be/Le7Fqbsrrm8?t=665 These were supposed to be the smoking gun evidence. UFO believers inside the DoD and as high up as US Senators fought for years to get them declassified. As soon as they were public, they were all quickly identified as sensor glare, bokeh, or mis-understood perspective. More…

How can it be sensor glare when the pilots saw with their own eyes these objects?

Most of these weren't things pilots saw with their physical eyes. You need to pay attention to the accounts. There are some though, to be clear. But these cases aren't like the ones we're seeing videos of. They are often something that flew between the aircraft vertically. This could easily be a bird (lower altitudes) or even part of a weather balloon that is just in free fall (these are launched all the time and have small payloads that frequently fall into the ocean). There are also tons of surveillance drones (foreign and domestic) and a few of these have been seen at night and when people look through night vision optics they'll see triangular shapes. This is something you can replicate, which builds strong evidence.

I don't know if you've ever been in a small private aircraft, but if you have you may have seen another plane crossing your path. It is quite hard to see such an object until it is right on you (thank god for ADS-B). I couldn't imagine the same situation in a fighter jet. Having also seen things like balloons and birds while flying, I can tell you that things don't look the same. Your perspective is really different and optical illusions are abound (people even frequently misinterpret flight paths looking up at planes and birds). Yes, you get training for this, but at the same time that training doesn't break the illusion.

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Post by godelski »

bostonwalker wrote: post #548

Excluding otherworldly forms of speculation about why possible aliens are visiting us, this subject really boils down to four tangible questions about how we arrived at this footage and the eyewitness accounts from Fravor et al: - Is it aliens? - If not, do these sightings represent real unexplainable technological phenomena (advanced propulsion technology)? - If not, are the eyewitness accounts credible? - In any ca…

I don't think people realize how much of our understanding of physics needs to be broken for aliens to be visiting us. Or that these creatures are willing to spend decades or generations away from their planet/home/family. Space is a hell of a lot bigger than people really think. Even several times the speed of light is slow in terms of these interstellar distances.
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