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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by nvrmnd »

ActorNightly wrote: post #476
runjake wrote: post #8

I worked on stealth aircraft that would occasionally cause civilian UFO reports. It was common for the reports to mention that these UFOs maneuvered unlike any man-made aircraft, which was always a good chuckle because they were usually just flying straight or banking normally. However when seasoned military pilots like Fravor speak on the matter, I listen. When a bunch of them speak about the same incident, I take t…

>seasoned military pilots You mean dudes who are under constant stress, likely sleep deprived, and likely have some health issues due to the physical demands of the job? Those probably would be the last people I listen to.

I had assumed this pilot was mostly discussing observations made during non-combat missions. Training and other enforcement activities in times of peace probably make up the majority of a military pilots career flying hours.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by belter »

kfrzcode wrote: post #454
belter wrote: post #414

- 40,000 to 70,000 Amateur Astronomers, scan the skies every night, with precision instruments capable to distinguish Jupiter atmosphere bands. Hardly any noticed these anomalous phenomena... - About 500 observatories in the world, most of which are located in the Northern hemisphere study nightly stars, galaxies, planets and other celestial objects. Hardly any noticed these anomalous phenomena... - By some rough est…

How do you discredit all the AATIP findings, Lt. Ryan Graves, Fravor... Etc.

Don't have to discredit they saw something to say it's not Aliens. And then, here is Fravor admitting on the record to pull off UFO pranks on camping sites:

(At correct time): https://youtu.be/Eco2s3-0zsQ?t=2942

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by pmarreck »

doodlebugging wrote: post #441
pmarreck wrote: post #325

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OK so assuming all the witnesses' accounts are in reasonable concordance (the broad strokes are fairly identical in account), what is that number? I had a funny showerthought the other day- Imagine that orgasms never existed, but a human had one one day and had to explain to others what it was and that it was real and how it felt. This person would be ENTIRELY not believed. Now let's assume this 1 person became 10, 1…

>I had a funny showerthought the other day Haha. Okay. That's a great lead-in. >At what point do you reasonably have to start to wonder if orgasms are, in fact, real? Is your audience male or female? Going by anecdotal tales, for some it could be an experience akin to an alien encounter.

Hah! Unfortunately, yes!

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by deadbeeves »

revscat wrote: post #419
deadbeeves wrote: post #375

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You have to admit, given that resources are finite, the dismissive attitude is warranted. Why is it that alien spaceships (let's call them what people actually think is being discussed, and not just any random flying thing that we don't know what it is) only show up on equipment when you can barely tell what you're looking at, and never clearly and unambiguously from multiple places?

In my experience the only people using the word “alien” are people like you: the dismissers. My belief is that there is something strange going on, but we do not know what. Getting some people to even admit that much is a struggle, even after 70+ years of it happening.

To me, just saying that it's something "strange" would be a hard sell, because I would have to agree that it's definitely nothing mundane shot such that I can't recognize it for what it is. I could agree that we don't know what some of these things are, as long our degree of ignorance is properly bounded. I don't think there's equal chance that they're, say, bigfoots on hoverboards or birds. "Look, this thing here looks like it might be some kind of secret Chinese UAV because it moves like human aircraft move but is too small to fit a person" is something that I think is worth looking into. "This looks like it could be a tear in spacetime" isn't. Nor is "we have no idea whatsoever what this is".

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Post by pmarreck »

mdmglr wrote: post #336
NikolaNovak wrote: post #200

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Darn it, I hate predictability. Why is it always, always, always "just watch this 'short' hour-long video of random people talking with fake authority and undeserved confidence", and never "here just check out this Cochrane meta study and review data & evidence linked" (I made the mistake of clicking and now YouTube thinks I want to see "this man shows evidence usa possesses exotic matter", "real photos of JFK killer…

Well said. In another comment thread there are two people slinging links to YouTube videos and criticizing legitimacy of the others’ linked video. I’m looking at both of the videos and I don’t recognize any of the people talking as experts of anything. Also 60 minutes has a lot of credibility issues. And is not generally looked upon as a rigorous journalism source. People will downvote because they don’t have any leg…

Apparently it's extremely hard for most people to land somewhere between "completely accepting" something and "completely dismissing" something. No one's asking you to "completely accept" a claim based only on this 60 Minutes piece, but let's suppose it has pushed the needle a little further away from "completely dismissing" for a bunch of people.

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Post by grumple »

m3kw9 wrote: post #285
3pac wrote: post #3

I saw a UFO maybe 12-13 years ago. It did not look like anything a human would design, even with advanced technology. It looked something like the oblong silver blob in The Flight of the Navigator, just hanging there, "much in the way that a brick doesn't." It must have been 5 km away so it would have been pretty large. It was a breezy overcast day with low clouds, and the moving clouds obscured but never completely…

Same here it’s always always like that as if the ufo has an earth camera detector, I fathom it may still be technically feasible if they are advanced enough. This would explain why nobody has had a clear picture taken of an UFO. /sarcasm

There's a funny concept called the SEP field (Somebody else's problem) from The Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy: https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Somebody_Else%27s_Proble...

We could conceive of a device that would function similarly, like a "Recording device avoidance" or "improbably inconvenient timing" field.

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Post by [deleted] »

elteto wrote: post #478
natch wrote: post #384

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Fighter jet pilot is a self-avowed prankster and “class clown” (his words). One of the people who wrote the software for that radar system is his good buddy, best man at his wedding, and was on duty nearby on that day. It could all be a big prank. Some of the eyewitnesses saw what they saw on, wait for it, a radar screen. Well technically it was another technology not exactly radar but I forget the name. [edit: FLIR,…

Wait, how do the logistics of this prank work? His buddy patched the plane's software on the fly (ha!) without anyone else noticing? Or he inserted some "prank" code into the main codebase, got it past what I'm sure is ton of code review hurdles without anyone noticing, then got it deployed to the plane before his pilot friend took flight that day?

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by ActorNightly »

nvrmnd wrote: post #481
ActorNightly wrote: post #476

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>seasoned military pilots You mean dudes who are under constant stress, likely sleep deprived, and likely have some health issues due to the physical demands of the job? Those probably would be the last people I listen to.

I had assumed this pilot was mostly discussing observations made during non-combat missions. Training and other enforcement activities in times of peace probably make up the majority of a military pilots career flying hours.

Even during non-combat missions, flying a fighter jet isn't exactly your run of the mill job, ESPECIALLY if you are flying for the Navy and landing on carriers.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

nonethewiser wrote: post #247
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #206

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How many experienced sailors once reported seeing mermaids? Until we understand the source of these sightings, it's entirely plausible pilots are all seeing something that doesn't actually exist for some reason or another. We won't know why until the phenomena is no longer mysterious, but there's always a high likelihood a given unknown is mundane, as opposed to fantastical or extraterrestrial. The article is right w…

Well they are seeing something There is video evidence which makes the mermaid analogue a bad one.

I believe the generally accepted theory is sailors may have seen manatees. Which is to say, they saw something, just not what they thought they saw.
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