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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Are there reports of UAP by other countries around the world?

Reports of strange things in the sky have been around for decades and are not confined to the US. It has been a global phenomena but it has recently gained a lot of air time in the US due to release of at least one video.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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I'll admit my bias up front of hoping that alien life does exist. That said, I'm pretty sympathetic to the argument that much of this could be explained with equipment malfunctions given the prevalence of identification from military sources. However, one thing I'm not sure I understand is why it's happening mainly in the U.S. America is a gigantic exporter of weapons systems, especially when it comes to aircraft (mu…

Well, it happened in Brazil in 1986.

https://pt-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Noite_dos_disco...

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Also the other essential problem: you never stop being afraid of the dark. This is evolutionarily sensible: we're a tribal species with a group-collective survival strategy, but few natural defenses: no fur, poor night vision. We're almost entirely dependent on tool-using to exist in the wild, it's our edge but it makes us very vulnerable. UFO reports disproportionately occur at night, and also from relatively isolat…

But if I were an alien trying to monitor earth from space ships, and I had some sort of radar stealth technology, I'd also fly at night to avoid visual detection.

If you were an alien with the technology to cross the vast distances between the stars why in the hell would you need to monitor Earth from within the atmosphere flying your spaceship around? Earth technology exists to read a license plate from orbit. You can somehow build the technology for interstellar travel but can't manage to build telescopes?

For the quarter the cost of Twitter you could build a pretty sweet Earth monitoring station on the surface of the Moon. It makes zero sense that aliens with essentially magic space travel technology couldn't do the same and go completely undetected by people on Earth.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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This is one example using a minor observational discrepancy. Put it this way- All the observers agreed with the reality that the plane did hit the water. You're basically using this 1 example to prove that 10, 100, 1000 people all saying that the plane hit the water (with or without wings) is not evidence of anything hitting the water (assuming no aircraft was found).

It wasn't minor, it was crucial to determine the cause of the accident. The wings being on or off was not just a "discrepancy".

It's an irrelevant example.

The question in THIS case is not whether "the wings fell off before or after hitting the water, if at all", but whether "there was a plane hitting the water at all" or "whether there even was a plane" (also a plane that was caught on multiple radars).

It's simply not a good comparison. The Navy pilots say they see bogies on radar (not just visually) every day. Watch the "60 Minutes" broadcast I linked elsewhere (which is only 13 minutes long: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY). The USG has already admitted these things are real but have an unknown source. To continue to maintain extreme skepticism at this point is to bury one's head in the sand.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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- 40,000 to 70,000 Amateur Astronomers, scan the skies every night, with precision instruments capable to distinguish Jupiter atmosphere bands. Hardly any noticed these anomalous phenomena... - About 500 observatories in the world, most of which are located in the Northern hemisphere study nightly stars, galaxies, planets and other celestial objects. Hardly any noticed these anomalous phenomena... - By some rough est…

Here is a recent paper by Ukrainian astronomers about UAP caught by their two major telescopes going Mach 15+ and doing an instantaneous u turn https://arxiv.org/abs/2211.17085 Most likely other astronomers have picked up events like this but discarded the data since it wasn’t matching what they were looking for, or the stigma pressured them to ignore it.

Discredited already: https://thedebrief.org/controversial-ukrainian-uap-study-sho...

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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I worked on stealth aircraft that would occasionally cause civilian UFO reports. It was common for the reports to mention that these UFOs maneuvered unlike any man-made aircraft, which was always a good chuckle because they were usually just flying straight or banking normally. However when seasoned military pilots like Fravor speak on the matter, I listen. When a bunch of them speak about the same incident, I take t…

>seasoned military pilots

You mean dudes who are under constant stress, likely sleep deprived, and likely have some health issues due to the physical demands of the job?

Those probably would be the last people I listen to.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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In grad school in astronomy, there was a fellow grad student who was extremely excited after a night's observations that he'd discovered something remarkable -- it was a long hoped for distant galaxy that appeared in his images that night, and had all the right spectral signatures because it appeared in different filters, different exposures, and you could see it there in the image files, raw. Turned out, it was nois…

This comment - interesting though it is - has irked me. To me it's sometimes amazing the lengths people will go to in order to insist something they can't believe must be because another party is at best mistaken, or at worst lying. The article states that UAP were likely - in the view of the author who is speaking from personal experience and knowledge of incidents and people involved - witnessed by 50-60 people "ev…

600? Twice that many people attended my Berenstein Bears convention.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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It was seen - by multiple fighter jet pilots (in different planes) - picked up by the fighter jet's radar - picked up by the USS Nimitz's radar. So yeah...

Fighter jet pilot is a self-avowed prankster and “class clown” (his words). One of the people who wrote the software for that radar system is his good buddy, best man at his wedding, and was on duty nearby on that day. It could all be a big prank. Some of the eyewitnesses saw what they saw on, wait for it, a radar screen. Well technically it was another technology not exactly radar but I forget the name. [edit: FLIR,…

Wait, how do the logistics of this prank work? His buddy patched the plane's software on the fly (ha!) without anyone else noticing? Or he inserted some "prank" code into the main codebase, got it past what I'm sure is ton of code review hurdles without anyone noticing, then got it deployed to the plane before his pilot friend took flight that day?

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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If they don't then is that evidence that AGI is NBD? To be clear: I don't think this is a good line of thinking from the beginning, so I'm not surprised when the conclusions are not useful.

The point isn’t to derive useful conclusions. The fact that we have no idea about the probability of the existence of extraterrestial intelligence seems to make it inherently impossible to derive any conclusions from a formula where they play a vital part.

Correct - it never ceases to amaze me the degree of certainty of many of the so called “skeptics” when it comes to questions for which we have no way to really generate meaningful priors on.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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I don't understand why people jump straight from "this is real" to "this is alien tech"?

To me, the public apathy shown by policy makers is exactly the reaction I'd expect to see if there was some top-secret program going on that either has access to the tech or was attempting to replicate tech a non-US country had.

In both cases politicians and policy makers would be told by the intelligence community "don't worry, we've got this" and be given additional access depending on their clearance.

There are numerous examples of this type of behavior that we know about: Manhattan project, the invention of public key encryption at GCHQ at least by the early 70's (at least 3 years before its public invention) and US Stealth technology are three that jump to mind.

Surely a much simpler explanations for these observations is another similar program?

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