UFOs are only spotted in USA. Either Americans are liars or the rest of the world is blind
I shouldn't reply to an obvious troll account, but just because I've seen this claim come up several times now, and because it gives me an excuse to drop some high strangeness - UFOs have been spotted all over the world. It isn't just a US thing, although one could always argue the effect of the influence of US cultural hegemony on sightings elsewhere. Some entertainingly noteworthy examples: Japan Airlines Cargo Fli…
As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena
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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena
#312I'm really surprised by fascination with mystery that many HN users display here. After all software developers and systems administrators of all people should be the first to doubt veracity of output of various devices and what their users believe about them and their output. Besides, US military has a history of intentionally misleading the public about what they are developing, with cover stories of aliens. Is it…
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#313Earlier quoted context omitted.
The close-minded approach is to accept someone’s fantastical claim because you want to, or just because the claim is being made, when the claim is contrary to mountains and centuries of evidence. The open-minded take incorporates all the possible evidence to reach the most likely conclusion. And the conclusion is never, so far, either aliens or magic. It’s just silly to conclude that an observation that has no immedi…
I don’t think aliens and magic belong in the same category though. Magic/supernatural by definition is contrary to physical laws and scientific understanding. But the existence of aliens would in no way contradict any physical laws or scientific consensus. It would be a shock, obviously, just like it was a shock when we discovered that other galaxies exist, or black holes, or that nuclear fission is possible. If inte…
Aliens haven't yet been demonstrated to exist, so they're in the same domain as fantastic claims that haven't yet been demonstrated to work. Magic.
Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena
#314But let's assume they are human. Why would a country keep this tech secret instead of shouting about it to demonstrate their total superiority? If China had it they'd have invaded Taiwan by now. If Russia, they'd have Ukraine. If the US it must be such a deep black project that those running it haven't called Biden and said "Joe, it's us. We're trying to keep it secret. Can you shut up about it?" But none of those things have happened.
Now imagine there wasn't a sigma around aliens. We all know that statistically we can't be alone, but "where is everyone?" Maybe they've been here all along which is why SETI missed them. Or their tech makes ours look like matchsticks and we'd never detect them because they're so far advanced.
I'd say we're either looking at sensors that malfunction so significantly so as to make artists from a few hundred years ago paint UFOs, or they aren't us.
This stuff should be investigated with an open mind, even the possibility of aliens.
[1] https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/repubs/j_geoman...
Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena
#315> Objects demonstrating extreme capabilities routinely fly over our military facilities and training ranges. We don’t know what they are, and we are unable to mitigate their presence. Occams Razor suggests that if these objects appear almost exclusively over US military facilities and US military training ranges, they're most likely operated by the US military. (Sorry to the Navy pilot whose security clearance is too…
Or they're observed over military facilities because that's the only location with a rigorous surveillance system.
That this phenomenon appears specific to personnel and locations related to US military bases seems like an important piece of data.
Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena
#316In grad school in astronomy, there was a fellow grad student who was extremely excited after a night's observations that he'd discovered something remarkable -- it was a long hoped for distant galaxy that appeared in his images that night, and had all the right spectral signatures because it appeared in different filters, different exposures, and you could see it there in the image files, raw. Turned out, it was nois…
I can't speak for the radar data, as I've never seen even leaked radar page footage from these events, but for those of you out there who think that what you see on the scope is a perfect analog of the real world, boy do I have some bad news for you...
It's also interesting to me that every single one of these videos I'm aware of has come from what's generally regarded as the least capable and most error-prone targeting pod currently in US service.
Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena
#317In grad school in astronomy, there was a fellow grad student who was extremely excited after a night's observations that he'd discovered something remarkable -- it was a long hoped for distant galaxy that appeared in his images that night, and had all the right spectral signatures because it appeared in different filters, different exposures, and you could see it there in the image files, raw. Turned out, it was nois…
It's worth mentioning also the infamous go fast and swivel videos have been explained. And both revealed that several pilots we mislead by the same simple phenomena. And it wasn't a pilot who explained it but engineers who actually knew how the sensors worked.
Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena
#318In grad school in astronomy, there was a fellow grad student who was extremely excited after a night's observations that he'd discovered something remarkable -- it was a long hoped for distant galaxy that appeared in his images that night, and had all the right spectral signatures because it appeared in different filters, different exposures, and you could see it there in the image files, raw. Turned out, it was nois…
To me it's sometimes amazing the lengths people will go to in order to insist something they can't believe must be because another party is at best mistaken, or at worst lying.
The article states that UAP were likely - in the view of the author who is speaking from personal experience and knowledge of incidents and people involved - witnessed by 50-60 people "every day".
The unclassified material records UAP from multiple sources including naked eye and two completely different sensor technologies - radar and infrared.
And yet, here we are. "Maybe there was just a glitch with the sensors".
No. No glitch. No sensor malfunction. No lone guy on weird meds.
Every day, UAP are being witnessed by credible, trained witnesses from multiple sources, and are not being mitigated because people fail to take them entirely seriously.
The article states that this is a major national security problem for the US. Too true. If these start appearing near a Russian ICBM silo, do we entirely trust - without figuring out what they are - that they aren't going to trigger a nuclear war?
It needs to be taken seriously. Hand-waving it away as mistaken people or flawed equipment despite professional men and women insisting they have already discounted those factors is an embarrassment to their professionalism and candour. It takes guts to talk about this.
And let's just remember these aren't tinfoil hat wearing stoners: they're service people sworn to protect their country screaming out "hey, you need to look at this, because we can't mitigate for this, and it's dangerous".
However, this isn't new, it's been culturally normal for decades.
If I told you that one USAAF officer who had served at Roswell Army Air Field at the time of "the incident" in 1947 had since come forward and said "Look, I was scared about losing my pension so I didn't say anything at the time, but the truth is there was a cover-up, and we couldn't really identify what that thing that crashed was but it wasn't ours and it didn't seem Soviet. People were scared because that base was the largest base for the Strategic Air Command, and admitting that weird unidentified objects could just get into airspace around there and we couldn't do anything about it would have terrified the public", you'd think about it and go "sure, one guy, not buying it entirely".
What if I told you ten individuals had all come forward - some with death bed confessions - and without evidence of collusion and for no payment or reward (not even a TV interview), had said similar things? What if they categorically insisted the updated explanation - not a weather balloon but an early warning radar system - was also not viable, because they were familiar with all those systems and this wasn't that?
What about a hundred ex-service people? A hundred accounts like that, some of them notarised statements to be released after their death? Or made shortly before last rites when they knew the pension couldn't be withdrawn? Would a hundred people doing that make you think "glitch" or "human error"?
The actual number is just over 600 right now. Seriously, _six hundred_ people have insisted that there was a significant security threat that never really got resolved, and about a dozen of them attest to life forms they couldn't really describe as human being present at the site.
Perhaps that's all too much for you, so go look at the "tic-tac" videos again, and wonder why highly trained aviators who are used to seeing weird weather and foreign aircraft and drones all the time are now constantly saying "this is not normal".
It's taken 70 years to get to the point where we can start talking about this a little more openly. Let's not close this debate down again now.
Is any of it ET in origin? Probably not. Tic-tacs might be drone tech. Roswell might have been Soviet after all. But we'll never know if we don't start showing a bit more curiosity rather than reflexing to "probably not real".
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#319Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly how many eyewitness accounts, devoid of good physical evidence, constitute "Evidence" with a capital "E"? If this number is "infinity" for you, that is unreasonable.
None of them. My dad did accident investigation for the Air Force for a time. One time there was a crash into the sea, amply witnessed by many on board a Navy ship, including pilots. They all said the wings came off the airplane before it hit the water. (The airplane had a reputation for wings coming off.) These people honestly believed that's what they saw. Except for one Navy seaman, on his first trip on a boat. He…
You're basically using this 1 example to prove that 10, 100, 1000 people all saying that the plane hit the water (with or without wings) is not evidence of anything hitting the water (assuming no aircraft was found).