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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by LarryMullins »

joe_the_user wrote: post #229
WalterBright wrote: post #210

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Every time one of those fantastic items gets explained, it's always mundane and boring, and never dampens the enthusiasm for the next one. I recall one about B+W photographs of "wood elves" taken around 1910 or so by a couple girls. The girls insisted it was genuine. Photographic experts declared the photos were genuine and could not have been faked. When the girls were in their 80's, they finally confessed that the…

And two more details; * Arthur Conan Doyle, the inventor of Sherlock Holmes was one of the boosters of the photograph. This sounds weird but there's about an Arthur Conan Doyle book that relates to reality in messy detail. There's generally no deducible explanation of random events, they're just random. And so the method of "excluding all other explanation" is generally worthless in trying to look at single events -…

Read Arthur Conan Doyle's The Lost World with this fairy incident in mind and the character of Professor Challenger will make a lot of sense. tl;dr: man mocked by the scientific majority gets completely vindicated.

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Post by likeabbas »

j0057 wrote: post #144
likeabbas wrote: post #131

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youtubers can hand waive off a few grainy videos. You can’t waive off corroborating classified data from radar, sonar, satellites, and military pilot testimony.

I'm not sure why I even tried...

I wish the fleet of classified data could be freely available for analysis. I agree the videos alone are not proof. All we have are the testimonies from pilots and other intelligence officers to go on.

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Post by nonethewiser »

smiley1437 wrote: post #172
snickerbockers wrote: post #145

There's a real problem with people being close-minded towards anything that seems fantastical. This includes scientists and other professionals who ought to know better. Obviously it's unscientific to jump to conclusions and assume that anything that doesn't make sense must be aliens or magic or whatever but at the same time, it's also unscientific to ignore physical observations just because they seem like something…

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence (Sagan Standard)

> Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence (Sagan Standard)

This response doesn't make sense because there wasn't an extraordinary claim being made.

He just said we don't know what it is and shouldn't assume it's uninteresting.

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Post by marginalia_nu »

llamaLord wrote: post #48
dilippkumar wrote: post #25

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Aha! You’re the person I’ve been searching for. A person who has seen something that is incredible (literally) and has a hard time following up because of a complete absence of data/evidence to back up your claim. Going back to your experience, what tools do you wish we as a society had that would help us document your experience? Did you try to document your experience? What were the barriers you encountered? If you…

Can't tell if being sarcastic or not... But the vast majority of us carry an at least 12 megapixel camera in our pocket literally everywhere we go now...

To be fair, you can't even get a decent picture of the moon with a camera phone.

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Post by gfodor »

godelski wrote: post #179
runjake wrote: post #31

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The Nimitz Incident of 2004(?). Extremely detailed visual and sensor events. Tons of human witnesses. Tons of activity. There was a detailed Reddit thread on the incident from a Seaman many, many years ago long before news of the Tic Tac came out. I’m on mobile but perhaps someone else can paste the thread URL. Could be an elaborate hoax but that’s one heck of a long con game.

> The Nimitz Incident of 2004(?). The Tic Tac UFO? That's probably one of the best explained events (debunked). Short answer is that there was sense misreading and a gimbal lock. Some people even simulated it[0]. I wouldn't call this an elaborate hoax, but an optical illusion and an event that took some expertise to understand. Expertise that a pilot wouldn't have. I should add that finding that link was nontrivial.…

Before speaking authoritatively as a debunker, you should be careful about accuracy. The video you linked is not of the alleged Tic Tac, it is a completely separate incident known as GIMBAL. The only public data on the Tic Tac UFO is the FLIR video.

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Post by likeabbas »

j0057 wrote: post #203
sambull wrote: post #156

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Even one that the Navy itself patented.. https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en

Sure, why not, what are we looking at though, some kind of microwave propulsion for spacecraft? Was a prototype ever built?

The author, Salvatore Pais, has been on a few podcasts saying so

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Post by nprateem »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #92
stevenhuang wrote: post #66

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If you want to understand the stigma of reporting UAPs as a military pilot, see Ryan Graves interview with Lex Fridman: https://youtu.be/qLDp-aYnR1Y > There isn't going to be a secret program that is so far advanced that it counters known physical laws. I think you've misread this part--parent is not saying these are ours, not at all. We're all in agreement that if what we're seeing is real, these would be non-human…

If they're non-human in origin then the whole thing is even less actionable. We're not going to learn the secrets of hyper drive just because the military acknowledges that these are real phenomena.

If they are real and non human maybe we can communicate with them and they can tell us. Highly unlikely based on their interest in our nukes and our obvious penchant for war

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Post by treis »

themanmaran wrote: post #225
driggs wrote: post #214

> Objects demonstrating extreme capabilities routinely fly over our military facilities and training ranges. We don’t know what they are, and we are unable to mitigate their presence. Occams Razor suggests that if these objects appear almost exclusively over US military facilities and US military training ranges, they're most likely operated by the US military. (Sorry to the Navy pilot whose security clearance is too…

Or they're observed over military facilities because that's the only location with a rigorous surveillance system.

Have any NATO countries reported these?

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Post by newZWhoDis »

godelski wrote: post #179
runjake wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Nimitz Incident of 2004(?). Extremely detailed visual and sensor events. Tons of human witnesses. Tons of activity. There was a detailed Reddit thread on the incident from a Seaman many, many years ago long before news of the Tic Tac came out. I’m on mobile but perhaps someone else can paste the thread URL. Could be an elaborate hoax but that’s one heck of a long con game.

> The Nimitz Incident of 2004(?). The Tic Tac UFO? That's probably one of the best explained events (debunked). Short answer is that there was sense misreading and a gimbal lock. Some people even simulated it[0]. I wouldn't call this an elaborate hoax, but an optical illusion and an event that took some expertise to understand. Expertise that a pilot wouldn't have. I should add that finding that link was nontrivial.…

The Nimitz event is far from “debunked”.

We have multiple naval aviator eye witnesses of the physical object, with testimony (fravor and the female wingman, I forget her name)

We have testimony of the Princeton’s AEGIS radar operator that these things were “popping in at 80k feet and dropping to sea level in a few seconds”, that “they disappear on radar and the sub would get a ping in the same area tracking 200+ knots underwater”

We have the intentionally degraded video of the same object from another intercept (the people who went out after fravor, his jet didn’t have recording capability). This is the video a certain washed up video game developer claims to have debunked by pointing a flashlight at a webcam.

This operation was testing a new version of the navy’s most advanced radar/integrated tracking system at that time (2004) that was substantially more powerful/sensitive than anything that came before it. Make of that what you will.

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Post by Jenk »

ugh123 wrote: post #266
psychphysic wrote: post #213

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It's worth mentioning also the infamous go fast and swivel videos have been explained. And both revealed that several pilots we mislead by the same simple phenomena. And it wasn't a pilot who explained it but engineers who actually knew how the sensors worked.

Interesting. Source?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs
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