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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by shortcake27 »

namaria wrote: post #163
willis936 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm wondering why a multi-million dollar aircraft doesn't have a $10k imaging system when I put a $300 imaging system on my $30k car. If I'm willing to spend 1% to understand equipment damage then why would this logic not follow for a billion dollar fleet of aircraft? Like-minded drivers have caught amazing videos of meteors. Planes could do the same for supposedly legitimate UAP sightings.

Well would you increase the budget of your production grade deliverables for maybe proving to internet forum visitors that your product sometimes is in the presence of weird phenomena?

Are you suggesting NARCAP is an internet forum?

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by gruez »

mach1ne wrote: post #79
isaacg wrote: post #76

These videos just look like optical artifacts of the lenses of the cameras, as discussed here: https://youtu.be/jHDlfIaBEqw Is there any evidence that there's more to these videos than that?

The countless eye witnesses for one.

That doesn't really make sense. If I show an optical illusion to one person and he gets fooled, showing it to n=1000 people isn't going to suddenly make the optical illusion real.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by rowanG077 »

namaria wrote: post #163
willis936 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm wondering why a multi-million dollar aircraft doesn't have a $10k imaging system when I put a $300 imaging system on my $30k car. If I'm willing to spend 1% to understand equipment damage then why would this logic not follow for a billion dollar fleet of aircraft? Like-minded drivers have caught amazing videos of meteors. Planes could do the same for supposedly legitimate UAP sightings.

Well would you increase the budget of your production grade deliverables for maybe proving to internet forum visitors that your product sometimes is in the presence of weird phenomena?

Oh I dunno. Maybe because that's what people do? We put billions into explaining stuff we don't understand.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by traverseda »

likeabbas wrote: post #189
traverseda wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's classified US technology, obviously. That's why it mostly appears near military installations that have significant power production capabilities (things like nuclear aircraft carriers, possible nuclear submarines). The fact that the military isn't investigating it implies to me that they already know what is it. Now why they're letting pilots talk about it on the Joe Rogan experience I don't know, but whether t…

Let's take this hypothesis and run with it. What you're saying is there's a faction of the government that is fucking with our military operations and endangering our pilots. How is this not headline news? How is this not a problem?

I presume if they got to this point they're pretty sure it's not endangering anyone, and there's no reason to believe those pilots immediate CO wasn't informed. Live tests on unaware aircraft are an obvious thing to do with your super cool new sensor blinding technology. I'd presume that there are other pilots or are aware and that this was a limited test with someone not in the know.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by [deleted] »

traverseda wrote: post #177
likeabbas wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I said to another commenter, I'm not discounting the possibility of this being human tech. But, wouldn't adversaries need other ships or satellites to launch this holographic plasma from, and wouldn't we have tracked those before seeing the tic-tac (or other unidentified craft) on radar? Many reports are actually happening over the United States airspace. How could the military not track the planes the plasmas are…

It's classified US technology, obviously. That's why it mostly appears near military installations that have significant power production capabilities (things like nuclear aircraft carriers, possible nuclear submarines). The fact that the military isn't investigating it implies to me that they already know what is it. Now why they're letting pilots talk about it on the Joe Rogan experience I don't know, but whether t…

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by Zetobal »

likeabbas wrote: post #159
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any reason to suppose that we are ignoring it? Any reason to suppose that we are not studying it deeply?

Yes. The Chinese blimp being a huge news story, but the 300 unidentified objects over US airspace (some with performance characteristics that we cannot explain) is the biggest reason. Some in the government are studying this for sure, but it's not getting the attention that it needs.

How much attention would be right and how do you know it's not applied? It's all just rambling on your part if you were really concerned you wouldn't be concerned on the internet you would be one of those people looking at it...

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by likeabbas »

traverseda wrote: post #194
likeabbas wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's take this hypothesis and run with it. What you're saying is there's a faction of the government that is fucking with our military operations and endangering our pilots. How is this not headline news? How is this not a problem?

I presume if they got to this point they're pretty sure it's not endangering anyone, and there's no reason to believe those pilots immediate CO wasn't informed. Live tests on unaware aircraft are an obvious thing to do with your super cool new sensor blinding technology. I'd presume that there are other pilots or are aware and that this was a limited test with someone not in the know.

Lue Elizondo did far more than run AATIP. His primary job at the DoD was to prevent leaks from the Special Access Programs that contained the classified technology that would be working on what you claim UFOs are. I can link you to his IG complaint where it contains his performance report that outlined his official duties at the DoD if you'd like.

Edit: here it is https://imgur.com/a/y0X1eoo

His full IG report which had the performance report above is here https://www.dropbox.com/s/cgqoaeore81lbxs/Luis%20Elizondo%20...

I find it hard to believe that the man whose job was to prevent the leaking of US classified technology would not know that these UFOs were just classified tech.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by pmarreck »

smiley1437 wrote: post #172
snickerbockers wrote: post #145

There's a real problem with people being close-minded towards anything that seems fantastical. This includes scientists and other professionals who ought to know better. Obviously it's unscientific to jump to conclusions and assume that anything that doesn't make sense must be aliens or magic or whatever but at the same time, it's also unscientific to ignore physical observations just because they seem like something…

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence (Sagan Standard)

Exactly how many eyewitness accounts, devoid of good physical evidence, constitute "Evidence" with a capital "E"?

If this number is "infinity" for you, that is unreasonable.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by [deleted] »

pmarreck wrote: post #182
supernova87a wrote: post #147

In grad school in astronomy, there was a fellow grad student who was extremely excited after a night's observations that he'd discovered something remarkable -- it was a long hoped for distant galaxy that appeared in his images that night, and had all the right spectral signatures because it appeared in different filters, different exposures, and you could see it there in the image files, raw. Turned out, it was nois…

> I wonder how much some of these unidentified phenomena might be checked for some similar effects. come on, man. at some point, after enough of these reports, toeing the line you're toeing starts to look ludicrous. these are trained observers, pilots who know what to expect in the sky. and do not take lightly that there is still a certain amount of embarrassment (a social cost) to even coming forward, so to even mak…

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by NikolaNovak »

pmarreck wrote: post #182
supernova87a wrote: post #147

In grad school in astronomy, there was a fellow grad student who was extremely excited after a night's observations that he'd discovered something remarkable -- it was a long hoped for distant galaxy that appeared in his images that night, and had all the right spectral signatures because it appeared in different filters, different exposures, and you could see it there in the image files, raw. Turned out, it was nois…

> I wonder how much some of these unidentified phenomena might be checked for some similar effects. come on, man. at some point, after enough of these reports, toeing the line you're toeing starts to look ludicrous. these are trained observers, pilots who know what to expect in the sky. and do not take lightly that there is still a certain amount of embarrassment (a social cost) to even coming forward, so to even mak…

Darn it, I hate predictability. Why is it always, always, always "just watch this 'short' hour-long video of random people talking with fake authority and undeserved confidence", and never "here just check out this Cochrane meta study and review data & evidence linked"

(I made the mistake of clicking and now YouTube thinks I want to see "this man shows evidence usa possesses exotic matter", "real photos of JFK killer" and "Chilling alien messages encoded in ancient tombs". That's not the bubble I want to be in!! :-D)

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