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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by Fezzik »

snickerbockers wrote: post #145

There's a real problem with people being close-minded towards anything that seems fantastical. This includes scientists and other professionals who ought to know better. Obviously it's unscientific to jump to conclusions and assume that anything that doesn't make sense must be aliens or magic or whatever but at the same time, it's also unscientific to ignore physical observations just because they seem like something…

The close-minded approach is to accept someone’s fantastical claim because you want to, or just because the claim is being made, when the claim is contrary to mountains and centuries of evidence. The open-minded take incorporates all the possible evidence to reach the most likely conclusion. And the conclusion is never, so far, either aliens or magic. It’s just silly to conclude that an observation that has no immediate natural explanation will not be explained naturally and is, instead, the work of aliens or magic. Especially in light of the fact that everything we have explained, thus far, has had a natural explanation.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by namaria »

willis936 wrote: post #109
yunohn wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? Are you seriously asking why commercial airliners don’t have 4K GoPros to record UAP/UFOs?

I'm wondering why a multi-million dollar aircraft doesn't have a $10k imaging system when I put a $300 imaging system on my $30k car. If I'm willing to spend 1% to understand equipment damage then why would this logic not follow for a billion dollar fleet of aircraft? Like-minded drivers have caught amazing videos of meteors. Planes could do the same for supposedly legitimate UAP sightings.

Well would you increase the budget of your production grade deliverables for maybe proving to internet forum visitors that your product sometimes is in the presence of weird phenomena?

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by likeabbas »

traverseda wrote: post #138
likeabbas wrote: post #125

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Have you heard Cmdr Dave Fravor’s testimony of the incident? A ball plasma does not exhibit intelligent movement as the way the tic tac began to mirror him as he descended on to it

Sure it does, this small scale demo can even draw the death star in mid air https://www.google.com/search?q=tangible+holographic+plasma That's certainly no natural phenomenon!

As I said to another commenter, I'm not discounting the possibility of this being human tech. But, wouldn't adversaries need other ships or satellites to launch this holographic plasma from, and wouldn't we have tracked those before seeing the tic-tac (or other unidentified craft) on radar?

Many reports are actually happening over the United States airspace. How could the military not track the planes the plasmas are being launched from being over our airspace? And suppose this is Chinese tech over our airspace - HOW IS THAT NOT A HUGE STORY? The blimp is the perfect example - if this stuff was Chinese, it would be a huge story.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by actually_a_dog »

nradov wrote: post #100
edgyquant wrote: post #71

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Yes. Why is that unreasonable?

It's unreasonable because installing and maintaining aviation qualified cameras is expensive. You can't just strap a consumer action camera to the wing and expect the FAA to approve. Airlines have no incentive to pay for extra cameras.

Yep. It’s the same reason why a lot of planes still have a “no smoking” light even though smoking hasn’t been allowed on planes for years. If they took them out, they’d have to recertify the electronics. It’s much easier and cheaper to have a useless light that always stays on than to go through that process to remove it.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by pixl97 »

snickerbockers wrote: post #145

There's a real problem with people being close-minded towards anything that seems fantastical. This includes scientists and other professionals who ought to know better. Obviously it's unscientific to jump to conclusions and assume that anything that doesn't make sense must be aliens or magic or whatever but at the same time, it's also unscientific to ignore physical observations just because they seem like something…

For the longest time we didn't know the lightning event we now call sprites occurred. Pilots had said they saw such things bit without evidence at the time no one had any idea if they were real or not. Probably plenty of other explainable events that we've not captured yet out there.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by ceejayoz »

snickerbockers wrote: post #145

There's a real problem with people being close-minded towards anything that seems fantastical. This includes scientists and other professionals who ought to know better. Obviously it's unscientific to jump to conclusions and assume that anything that doesn't make sense must be aliens or magic or whatever but at the same time, it's also unscientific to ignore physical observations just because they seem like something…

It is important to be open minded to the possibility of mundane explanations for these observations.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by narag »

mrtksn wrote: post #85
likeabbas wrote: post #17

I really wish people would take a look at the extensive analysis some scientists have done to show the 3 navy videos of UAP are showing flight characteristics that defy our laws of physics. This guy on Twitter has done a fantastic job to show the GIMBAL object performed what we can only describe as a “vertical u-turn” https://twitter.com/the_cholla/status/1504855791060148224?s=... This paper shows the tic tac video e…

> This paper shows the tic tac video exhibited instantaneous acceleration to over 20,000 mph Would't it mean that the footage doesn't actually show real objects then? You see a Mona Lisa on the wall in your friends house, before you assume that your friend has the original or that Leonardo Da Vinci painted two of those and this is the other one you will need to go through many many other scenarios because you know a…

> This paper shows the tic tac video exhibited instantaneous acceleration to over 20,000 mph

Would't it mean that the footage doesn't actually show real objects then?

Maybe, but consider the context: even if the acceleration was more "reasonable", wouldn't you feel something's missing? I mean any indication of a propulsion system, like reaction gases or propellers.

My point is: if we're watching something we have no idea how it works, it doesn't make sense to tell it how it should behave.

How could one vehicle move if not using jets, rockets or other known means? Maybe creating some kind of field? A field gives accelereation instantly and uniformly. So if you can manipulate a field, everything inside it will accelerate as fast as you can gauge it and without feeling G forces. That thing could even have a crew.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by likeabbas »

marmetio wrote: post #124
likeabbas wrote: post #96

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I didn’t forget. This issue could be both a security risk for our military members, and also an exciting venture for science.

If it was just a science thing or they didn't care about the security risk, I don't see why they'd keep forming new organizations that are increasingly secretive.

Because it's not just a science thing. It's a potential threat. Threat is defined as capability x intent. We are seeing these things with insane capabilities, but not really any intent (other than maybe observing our technology).

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by suddenclarity »

llamaLord wrote: post #48
dilippkumar wrote: post #25

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Aha! You’re the person I’ve been searching for. A person who has seen something that is incredible (literally) and has a hard time following up because of a complete absence of data/evidence to back up your claim. Going back to your experience, what tools do you wish we as a society had that would help us document your experience? Did you try to document your experience? What were the barriers you encountered? If you…

Can't tell if being sarcastic or not... But the vast majority of us carry an at least 12 megapixel camera in our pocket literally everywhere we go now...

This is my opinion as well but it should be mentioned that wide angle lenses on phones are quite terrible at picking up small things, especially in low light. I tried once 2-3 years ago when I noticed a bright light late at night from my bedroom window. I'm 100% convinced it had a reasonable explanation but it did bother me that I spent several minutes without getting a decent image/video of something my eyes could see clearly. Since then, I'm a bit more understanding that phones doesn't capture everything but with that said - there are still a ton of DSLRs and telescopes. Unfortunately I didn't have the hindsight of fetching mine.
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