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U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

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Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

#611

How incredibly dumb. Imagine all the delicious ELINT that balloon relayed about the APG-81 RADAR and the missile, which assuredly coat much more than the balloon drone.

Have to agree. Seems like we took a big risk using the F22 for this. I was expecting a super hornet or f15 to get the call on this one.

At the same time, maybe we know that the balloon has no capabilities in this regard and decided to flex.

Who knows.

Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

#612

How incredibly dumb. Imagine all the delicious ELINT that balloon relayed about the APG-81 RADAR and the missile, which assuredly coat much more than the balloon drone.

There is no evidence it had any military purpose, and given a balloon of that size has very little control and easily spotted it would be a terrible platform for spying.

Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

#613

This is dumb. Same airship design has been seen around the world for years, https://twitter.com/BalloonSciDan/status/1479218147098038278 There are many companies building and launching balloon airships of similar size. The US weather service alone puts hundreds of balloons over China, https://www.weather.gov/jetstream/radiosondes

China is quite obviously lying about this being a weather balloon.

You can see in the video about the NOAA weather balloons how small they are.

The balloon that was just shot down was huge and was being actively maneuvered.

Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

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I have been in "no politics, no news" mode for over a month. I try to do this about once a year. I have yet to tell my wife I do it, but when I am on this limited media consumption she always comments how pleasant I am to be around. I think it is a good thing for all of us to do once in a while, until 80 years ago most news was at best three or four days old, go back 120 years and you're getting only last weeks top t…

Does reading news really make you unpleasant to be around? That sounds like a fairly major red flag.

Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

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I have been in "no politics, no news" mode for over a month. I try to do this about once a year. I have yet to tell my wife I do it, but when I am on this limited media consumption she always comments how pleasant I am to be around. I think it is a good thing for all of us to do once in a while, until 80 years ago most news was at best three or four days old, go back 120 years and you're getting only last weeks top t…

I have the complete inverse experience. I rarely care much about news and politics. I maybe spend 10 minutes a week to browse headlines and keep generally aware of current events. However, about once a year I get sucked into some topic or election or whatever and my consumption goes through the roof. My wife doesn’t care for that stuff at all so we don’t even talk about politics or anything, so she’s unaware that I’ve been dialed in to media but it always happens that after a couple weeks she starts saying “everything ok? You’ve been kind of a jerk/short/angry towards everyone lately”

Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

#616

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This isn't the first balloon with equipment on it that has overflown US territory (which should also put to rest the 'rogue weather balloon' theory). China has been doing this ever since Trump started levying import taxes on Chinese goods. This particular balloon was brazen enough to be loitering over military targets for some time. It makes sense to do a shoot down over the ocean so you can have a better chance to r…

Since you appear to believe this balloon had a surveillance mission, please explain what data it could conceivably have collected that isn't much easier to collect some other way. The military targets over which you suggest this aircraft intentionally loitered do not even have restricted airspaces. Anyone could get in a plane and fly right over them at whatever altitude they choose and nobody would even notice. You c…

I think it would be considered illegal espionage if someone working for the PLA rented a plane and flew it over military bases. Balloons have more plausible deniability and less personal risk.

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#617

Im pretty impressed that it made it all the way across the continent in a couple days, i had no idea high altitude balloons could move that fast.

The jetstream is fast enough that it factors into any flight at altitude when it comes to fuel estimations and path calculations, up to 12% difference or so iirc.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically the ballon isn't moving itself in anyway at all, it instead is depending on the wind. As the atmospheric pressure lowers the maximum speed of the wind can increase greatly. For example the speed of the jet stream commonly exceeds 275 miles per hour. It looks like the strongest jet winds were closer to canada, had the jet been in the US it could have made it across the country in a day.

Imagine the earth is also spinning under the balloon?

That doesn't really matter, but the jetstream does matter. That's why it is going West-to-East to begin with.

Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

#619

This is dumb. Same airship design has been seen around the world for years, https://twitter.com/BalloonSciDan/status/1479218147098038278 There are many companies building and launching balloon airships of similar size. The US weather service alone puts hundreds of balloons over China, https://www.weather.gov/jetstream/radiosondes

China is quite obviously lying about this being a weather balloon. You can see in the video about the NOAA weather balloons how small they are. The balloon that was just shot down was huge and was being actively maneuvered.

There are so many companies building airship prototypes of similar scale, Occam's Razor suggests its benign. It's like seeing your first satellite and being convinced it must be military.. This isn't the Sputnik era of ballooning by any stretch.

https://aviationoutlook.com/airship-manufacturers/

Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

#620

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When an aircraft doesnt have a transponder, doesnt respond to radio calls, no flight plan on file, and seems to be adrift, it is a hazard to navigation irrespective of altitide. Such things get intercepted and, if in any way dangerous, are shot down. Post-9/11, there are even protocols for shooting down unresponsive airliners.

Name one plane that flies at more than 60,000 feet, I'll wait.

If you believe the Chinese officials, they had lost control of the balloon. Things that go up must famously go down, though that's not their department said Wernher Von Braun.
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