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post #492

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't tell if the joke is the man is foolish or wise for not being interested in politics.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

"they say evil triumphs when good men do nothing, what they should say, is evil triumphs" --from a movie about a guy who just got released from prison im exchange for a sports celebrity.

Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

#583

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's one thing to be interested in politics, and a whole different story whether you can make a tiny bit of difference with the knowledge you get from spending time listening to all the politicians out there on a daily basis. Besides, most of the time the system is designed in a way that you have neither a say nor healthy representation of your political views in the elected government.

> the system is designed in a way that you have neither a say nor healthy representation America is the most powerful civilisation in the history of humanity. In almost every election, nonvoters could swing the outcome. On almost every issue, practically nobody reaches out to their representatives. Participation is hard. Many of us have more important matters to tend to. That’s fine. But don’t characterise participat…

*Nonvoters in a select few swing states could swing the outcome. (At least in regard to presidential elections--for local elections you have a point!)

Edit: for downvoters, please note that I say this not to encourage apathy, but because I would like this problem to be fixed!

Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

#584

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's one thing to be interested in politics, and a whole different story whether you can make a tiny bit of difference with the knowledge you get from spending time listening to all the politicians out there on a daily basis. Besides, most of the time the system is designed in a way that you have neither a say nor healthy representation of your political views in the elected government.

> the system is designed in a way that you have neither a say nor healthy representation America is the most powerful civilisation in the history of humanity. In almost every election, nonvoters could swing the outcome. On almost every issue, practically nobody reaches out to their representatives. Participation is hard. Many of us have more important matters to tend to. That’s fine. But don’t characterise participat…

It's not that participation is hard, it's that more and more see it as completely ineffective.

Every year more of my friends and family abstain from voting.

The system is broken, many choose not to play a fixed game.

Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

#585
This is dumb.

Same airship design has been seen around the world for years, https://twitter.com/BalloonSciDan/status/1479218147098038278

There are many companies building and launching balloon airships of similar size.

The US weather service alone puts hundreds of balloons over China, https://www.weather.gov/jetstream/radiosondes

Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

#586
post #338

I have been in "no politics, no news" mode for over a month. I try to do this about once a year. I have yet to tell my wife I do it, but when I am on this limited media consumption she always comments how pleasant I am to be around. I think it is a good thing for all of us to do once in a while, until 80 years ago most news was at best three or four days old, go back 120 years and you're getting only last weeks top t…

Sputnik 2.0

It's a serious warning that the U.S. is dangerously behind China when it comes to balloon technology. Note also, balloons are one way of colonizing Venus (floating high in the atmosphere without having to approach the dangerously hot surface).

Clearly we need a Venus Balloon Program to show who's the technological leader on this planet, just like with the Apollo Mission. Mars is for wimps, real explorers go to Venus! Now's let's put $50 billion into it. The prototype is already here (2022):

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/jpls-venus-aerial-robotic-ball...

[edit: to be clear I am absolutely not joking. Spending huge sums of money on space exploration is a much better use of government funds than getting involved in ground wars in Asia]

Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

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post #338

I have been in "no politics, no news" mode for over a month. I try to do this about once a year. I have yet to tell my wife I do it, but when I am on this limited media consumption she always comments how pleasant I am to be around. I think it is a good thing for all of us to do once in a while, until 80 years ago most news was at best three or four days old, go back 120 years and you're getting only last weeks top t…

> when I am on this limited media consumption she always comments how pleasant I am to be around

IMO the news is little more than a sales pitch for antidepressants, life insurance and "retail therapy".

Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

#588
post #338

I have been in "no politics, no news" mode for over a month. I try to do this about once a year. I have yet to tell my wife I do it, but when I am on this limited media consumption she always comments how pleasant I am to be around. I think it is a good thing for all of us to do once in a while, until 80 years ago most news was at best three or four days old, go back 120 years and you're getting only last weeks top t…

Sputnik 2.0 It's a serious warning that the U.S. is dangerously behind China when it comes to balloon technology. Note also, balloons are one way of colonizing Venus (floating high in the atmosphere without having to approach the dangerously hot surface). Clearly we need a Venus Balloon Program to show who's the technological leader on this planet, just like with the Apollo Mission. Mars is for wimps, real explorers…

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Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

#589

This is dumb. Same airship design has been seen around the world for years, https://twitter.com/BalloonSciDan/status/1479218147098038278 There are many companies building and launching balloon airships of similar size. The US weather service alone puts hundreds of balloons over China, https://www.weather.gov/jetstream/radiosondes

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Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

#590

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

Then again, there's a million evil things in my news-feed every day about which I can do precisely nothing, usually because they're in a different country. What does me knowing (in depressing detail!) about The Evil Thing I Have No Power About improve the situation in any way?

I think it's valuable to have some baseline level of political knowledge and engagement, but there are definitely diminishing returns beyond that. Past a certain point, it seems to become a negative influence in most people's lives.

But being completely apathetic about politics is a bit like not getting vaccinated for measles. It might work out ok for you, but it gets really dangerous when a majority of the population has that mindset.

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