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U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

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Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

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Why didn't they just down it safely harpooning it from a helicopter or something? Didn't they want to investigate the payload in detail rather than mangled remains? Was it really just a scientific baloon but US found it more useful to accuse Chinese of sending grotesquely large and not stealthy at all spy balloon? Otherwise why destroy it? EDIT: I stand corrected that USA just didn't have the technological capacity t…

It was about 20km in the air. Helicopters don't fly that high

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Why didn't they just down it safely harpooning it from a helicopter or something? Didn't they want to investigate the payload in detail rather than mangled remains? Was it really just a scientific baloon but US found it more useful to accuse Chinese of sending grotesquely large and not stealthy at all spy balloon? Otherwise why destroy it? EDIT: I stand corrected that USA just didn't have the technological capacity t…

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I am so tired of China being used to stoke American jingoism, of politicians making a contest of who is really 'tough on China' and, most horrifyingly, of seeing other USians online practically salivate as they fantasize about a war with China. It's some cold war boogieman horseshit. And it's depressing to watch here on Hacker News, too, any comments that question the beating of those war drums go dead. Yesterday I h…

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was probably a much higher ratio than that. Wouldn't be surprised if it was actually 1000:1. On the other hand, the military is constantly in need of new drills to keep everyone's skills sharp. This was a pretty good one for them with no negative outcomes beyond whatever data might have been collected and sent back to China.

The thing is gigantic. It's definitely not cheap and most likely more than the unit cost of a missile.

Missles are pretty expensive, the sidewinders they used to shoot out down cost between 200 and 400k

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What would you have them do? I know many people wanted it shot down over Montana, but even the most rural places have more people than you'd think. If they had shot it down and it had hit someone/something, or even come close to it, it would be a complete disaster.

How about shoot it down over the Pacific as it entered American/Canadian airspace? People act like it just showed up in Montana without any warning.

Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

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Spy balloon cost : $3k - $50k , you can even buy them on alibaba and some other sites:

    https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/China-hot-sale-surveillance-balloon-with_60454941082.html

    https://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/jennerjiang/product-list/catalog-1.html?view=0

Cost to shoot down balloon with F22 $400k for the AIM-9X, ~$85k for 1 hour of flight time, so ~$400 - $500k to shoot down one balloon that cost < $50k

Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

#147

Why didn't they just down it safely harpooning it from a helicopter or something? Didn't they want to investigate the payload in detail rather than mangled remains? Was it really just a scientific baloon but US found it more useful to accuse Chinese of sending grotesquely large and not stealthy at all spy balloon? Otherwise why destroy it? EDIT: I stand corrected that USA just didn't have the technological capacity t…

Helicopters can't fly up to 60k feet or so where the balloon was floating.

Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

#148

Why didn't they just down it safely harpooning it from a helicopter or something? Didn't they want to investigate the payload in detail rather than mangled remains? Was it really just a scientific baloon but US found it more useful to accuse Chinese of sending grotesquely large and not stealthy at all spy balloon? Otherwise why destroy it? EDIT: I stand corrected that USA just didn't have the technological capacity t…

60,000 feet up.

Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

#149

Why didn't they just down it safely harpooning it from a helicopter or something? Didn't they want to investigate the payload in detail rather than mangled remains? Was it really just a scientific baloon but US found it more useful to accuse Chinese of sending grotesquely large and not stealthy at all spy balloon? Otherwise why destroy it? EDIT: I stand corrected that USA just didn't have the technological capacity t…

How much experience do you think people have harpooning a spy balloon from a helicopter? and landing it safely.... I...can't believe there's many people who have experience in that...

Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

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I actually think it might just be a stray weather balloon. If they considered it a security threat they would've downed it before it reached continental US. Overall it's a fair resolution. It's a good political move to raise public awareness of tensions with the PRC (you'd be surprised how many people don't know). Downing it is mostly symbollic and completes the safety narrative.

I’m not in the defense industry neither know how the Chinese spy agency works but I guess there are more covert ways to spy than sending a 20ft ballon half way around the world.

The balloon diameter was more like 40-60 meters.
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