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U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

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Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

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I’m not in the defense industry neither know how the Chinese spy agency works but I guess there are more covert ways to spy than sending a 20ft ballon half way around the world.

One theory is that the Chinese know that. This could be them sending a message: "If you defend Taiwan, we can get over your heads cheaply and easily". The only casualties on the U.S. mainland during WW2 were Japanese balloons dropping bombs on the west coast. I doubt that symbolism was lost on the military or the Biden administration.

China has ICBMs with nuclear warheads. No one is confused about whether China has the ability to harm Americans on American soil.

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post #102

I am so tired of China being used to stoke American jingoism, of politicians making a contest of who is really 'tough on China' and, most horrifyingly, of seeing other USians online practically salivate as they fantasize about a war with China. It's some cold war boogieman horseshit. And it's depressing to watch here on Hacker News, too, any comments that question the beating of those war drums go dead. Yesterday I h…

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Not sure where your info is from, but this balloon was seen by the naked eye and all over social media. As someone who lives in Montana, many many people could see it. The idea that the USG prompted the publicity is unlikely to be accurate (would suggest a calculated social media psyop). Not impossible, but not likely.

there’s a bit of difference between it being spread as a meme online and then quietly fading into the background v.s. the President of the country ordering it to be shot down by a jet and then announcing said order to the public. just how close/far is this from “business as usual”? if this balloon were no big deal, i wouldn’t expect it to be escalated to the Commander in Chief. which tells me either (a) there’s (susp…

I pick (b)! There was a negotiations meeting with China coming up that was canceled.

Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

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post #89

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How would you collect it?

Trying to remember what it was called but there was a 60/70s era program that was declassified that claimed to capture returning satellites from orbit using massive nets/parachutes carried behind large aircraft for example a c47 that would snap them right out of the air as they are falling.

That’s capturing film reels dropped from Anerican spy satellites during the Cold War. They were tiny compared to this gigantic balloon

https://www.historynet.com/spy-intelligence-from-the-sky/

Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

#135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One theory is that the Chinese know that. This could be them sending a message: "If you defend Taiwan, we can get over your heads cheaply and easily". The only casualties on the U.S. mainland during WW2 were Japanese balloons dropping bombs on the west coast. I doubt that symbolism was lost on the military or the Biden administration.

China has ICBMs with nuclear warheads. No one is confused about whether China has the ability to harm Americans on American soil.

No one is confused about the result of the use of nuclear weapons. Has Russia used them yet in their almost year-long war against Ukraine? Has the U.S.? Update your assumptions. All major powers are exploring how they might wage war short of nukes.

Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

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post #102

I am so tired of China being used to stoke American jingoism, of politicians making a contest of who is really 'tough on China' and, most horrifyingly, of seeing other USians online practically salivate as they fantasize about a war with China. It's some cold war boogieman horseshit. And it's depressing to watch here on Hacker News, too, any comments that question the beating of those war drums go dead. Yesterday I h…

While I agree that using China as our 21st century boogieman is very tiresome, the fact of the matter is China is not a friend of the west.

Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

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Why didn't they just down it safely harpooning it from a helicopter or something? Didn't they want to investigate the payload in detail rather than mangled remains?

Was it really just a scientific baloon but US found it more useful to accuse Chinese of sending grotesquely large and not stealthy at all spy balloon?

Otherwise why destroy it?

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I stand corrected that USA just didn't have the technological capacity to do anything other than firing a missile at it from a fighter jet.

Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

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post #47

In previous times, the US would ignore these balloons and quietly take them down. Instead they made a big deal out of it and milked it. Brilliant and opposite of what china expected

It went viral in Montana and was not shot down until it left the country in North Carolina.

If this was a planned media push it would have been shot down before it entered the united states.

Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

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I had seen reports that the balloon was the length of 3-4 school busses but it appears that was misreported and just repeated. The PAYLOAD was the length of 3-4 school busses. I haven’t been following this much until today/ vaguely aware as an amusing background story. But, has anyone seen high res photos of the balloon or someone doing back of the envelope math on the size of the balloon portion? I ask simply becaus…

The ballon was at 60k feet and eye witnesses said it had the same apparent size in the sky as passenger jets flying nearby at 30k feet.
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