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Update on Samsung SSD Reliability

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Re: Update on Samsung SSD Reliability

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the firmware update last week Link to specific firmware version please?

The new firmware is version 5B2QGXA7, updated via magician on Windows. I didn't make a note of earlier firmware versions. It's still too soon to know if the ssd freeze will reoccur.

thank you

Re: Update on Samsung SSD Reliability

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post #24

There is always the possibility that their S.M.A.R.T. implementation is borked...

If that's all it was, then it's likely a firmware update would not only prevent the issue, but also reverse it if the storage is actually healthy. That doesn't seem to be the case here, though.

Keep in mind that one of the things SSD firmware does is deliberately write-lock the drive if the media is too worn to erase. So buggy firmware overestimating media wear is also likely to cause a failed drive.

Re: Update on Samsung SSD Reliability

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post #42

I've had 2x Samsung 980 Pro 2TB fail in as many years. Last time I buy Samsung.

My Samsung 980s (1TB so not affected per article) are still going strong but Samsung has been dropping the ball across the board for me in recent years. I've had a bad experience with their Samsung Frame last year, their fridges are a nightmare to fix, and I'm now hearing bad things about their washing machine and their SSDs. I know these departments are not related but it's not a good look.

Re: Update on Samsung SSD Reliability

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I installed 2 x 980 Pro 2Tb in a laptop in Nov 2022. Running a daily Robocopy bat script to backup a folder in C: to D: would freeze a couple of times a week and lock the D: drive. After reboot, a drive check would find no errors and everything would work as normal. I've used the same script for years with no issues. Since the firmware update last week Robocopy has not frozen the drive at all this week.

what does the SMART data for your drive say?

I'm morbidly curious how much it reports lifespan remaining for its internal write-wear-leveling system.

Re: Update on Samsung SSD Reliability

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I wish more independent review organizations would conduct destructive "write lifespan until ultimate failure" real world tests on SSDs. With a mixture of real world large contiguous files and small random writes.

Real ultimate write lifespan on 3-level-cell and QLC consumer grade SSDs varies wildly for things of the same capacity and similar price.

Such as this series of tests from 7 years ago: https://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experi...

It looks like the bar charts and other data in that URL are now broken, which is sad, because I recall reading it when it was first published and it shows some amazing differences between the drives that died first, and the ones that died last.

another similar: https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/endurance-test-of-samsung-...

Re: Update on Samsung SSD Reliability

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post #7

I have this exact model, 980 Pro 2TB. It says to update firmware, but how can you do that from Linux? The instructions are all about some Windows program. Thanks! EDIT: I'm quite happy with the warning from this article, fixed a potential future problem!

nvme drives can be updated from the command line. I've done it myself. Extracting the actual firmware update from the files Samsung gives you might be an issue though.

nvme-cli can, in principle, upload firmware. I’ve never personally tried it.

Re: Update on Samsung SSD Reliability

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I've been trying to find a decent endurance NVME in the m.2 form factor for write-heavy applications and it appears that true 2-bit MLC has all but disappeared, replaced by 3-bit TLC and higher (with commensurate loss of endurance) The high endurance SSDs appear to be only available in u.2\u.3\hhhl and god-help-me EDSFF form factors Any suggestions? Micron's 7450 isn't readily available

i recommend samsung pm9a3 versions. not as popular, but are enterprise products and also the endurance is like 3 times 980 pro i believe (please check it, not 100% sure). Been using in my threadrupper workstation with a lot of vms which are put to sleep every day with around .25tb written and read each time the vms are started. keep in mind these are 22110 form factor

These are not available with retail support so if you manage to acquire one (which may have been pulled from service with an unknown level of previous wear) you will get ZERO support from Samsung no matter what goes wrong.

Re: Update on Samsung SSD Reliability

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I really want to see ssd manufacturers offer a decent warranty... This drive costs $100, and will last 10 years or until 100TB has been written to it, as long as you keep it within the specified temperature/humidity/power conditions. If it fails to do that, we will return $1000 to you.

Lifetime warranties used to be commonplace, I wish we could return to those times, or at least to a time of repairability.

It also used to be the case that a computer was basically ewaste within two or three years because a new one would be ten times faster.

Re: Update on Samsung SSD Reliability

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you provide that batch script please? Like in a GitHub Gist or something similar.

Sure... @echo off pause robocopy "C:\Users\o\Desktop\2023" "D:\2023" /e /mir /np /v /tee /r:0 /w:0 /log+:"C:\Users\o\Desktop\log_robocopy.txt" pause @echo on

You don’t need to turn echo back on at the end of your batch file. That line is pointless.
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